Nov 24, 2025 Parks and Recreation Commission

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COMMISSIONERS. MCSWAIN. PETER. LEHMANN, PAVLUS. HERE. RIGHT HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PAULINA HERE. AND ABSENT IS COMMISSIONER MANIACI. WE HAVE READ THE MINUTES. I'M HOPING.

[III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. TRYING TO SPELL IT. WELL, I NOTICED IT WAS MISSING AND SO LIKE I STILL HAD THE CARD FROM HER FROM. OKAY. SO I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S RIGHT. GOTCHA. OKAY. IT'S A LITTLE WEIRD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS CHANGES. MOTION I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WITH THE ADDENDUM? WITH THE ADDENDUM? YEAH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. OPEN FORM. FOR THIS. I'M WITH HER. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT I THINK HE'S GOING TO TEE UP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO SARAH

[V.2. Stillwater Parks Master Plan-HKGi - Sarah Evenson]

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SO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WE PUT AN ADVERTISEMENT IN THE CITY NEWSLETTER. WE HAD A SANDWICH BOARD AT THE CHAMBER TABLE AT THE ART FESTIVAL THIS FALL. SUSTAINABLE STILLWATER POSTED ABOUT THIS ONLINE ENGAGEMENT ON THEIR WEBSITE, WHICH WAS REALLY NICE. AND THEN WE DID A POP UP AT THE PUBLIC WORKS OPEN HOUSE TRICK OR TREAT. SO THAT WAS SUPER WELL ATTENDED. THAT'S A GREAT EVENT. WE TALKED TO MORE THAN 75 GROWN UPS, TOTALLY CLEARED US OUT OF ALL OUR HANDOUTS, WHICH IS GREAT. TALKED TO LOTS OF KIDS, HEARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL PARKS THAT THEY LIKE TO GO TO. AND THEN WE HAD A HUGE JUMP IN OUR SURVEY RIGHT AFTER THAT. SO THAT WAS NICE TO SEE. THAT'S ALWAYS WHAT WE HOPE BY DOING POP UPS, IS THAT WE GET SOME FACE TO FACE CONTACT, AND THEN PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT IT FROM A REAL PERSON AND THEN THEY GO VISIT THE WEBSITE. SO. SO OUR SURVEY ENDED UP GETTING OVER 150 TOTAL VISITORS, WHICH IS GREAT. AND THEN A MAJORITY OF THEM ACTUALLY SUBMITTED RESPONSES, WHICH WAS NICE. SO I'LL GO THROUGH THE TWO DIFFERENT ENGAGEMENT METHODS THAT WE HAD. SO WE HAD AN ONLINE MAP AND THIS WAS A PRETTY SIMPLE PROMPT. IT WAS BASICALLY TELL US PLACES THAT YOU LIKE, TELL US IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS OR IDEAS, AND THEN TELL US IF THERE'S PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE CONCERNS. ANYBODY FROM THIS GROUP, LIKE POP ONTO THE WEBSITE AND TAKE A LOOK AROUND.

NICE TO SEE IT. SO YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY PRETTY FAMILIAR. AND AS WITH MOST MAPPING EXERCISES, WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF LURKING LIKE, CHECK IT OUT. OVER 300 VISITS TO THE SITE.

NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU KNOW NECESSARILY WANT TO BACK THAT UP WITH COMMENTS, BUT THEY DO WANT TO SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE POSTING ABOUT THOSE UNIQUE PEOPLE OR I BELIEVE THEY ARE.

YES. SO WE HAD 20 WHO ACTUALLY SUBMITTED DIFFERENT COMMENTS AND THEN SIX WHO MAYBE COMMENTED BUT DIDN'T FINISH, BUT IT STILL RECORDS KIND OF WHAT THEY WROTE. AND THEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST CAME TO SEE WHAT THERE WAS TO SEE. SO MAP IS THE THE SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE USING AND IT'S KIND OF NICE. IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE HEAT MAPS OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMMENTING. SO WE HAD 29 COMMENTS ON PLACES PEOPLE LIKE LOTS OF RIVERFRONT PARKS. OBVIOUSLY LILY LAKE, POPULAR BROWNS CREEK COMMENTS AND IDEAS. SIMILARLY, ALTHOUGH A LOT MORE COMMENTS FOR THE SOUTHWEST PORTION AND THOSE NEWER PARKS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW EQUALLY THE CONCERNS ALONG ALONG THE RIVERFRONT, I THINK JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST HIGHLY VISITED PARKS. AND THIS IS PRETTY COMMENT DENSE, I DON'T KNOW. DID THEY GET A DIGITAL VERSION OF THE PACKET? OKAY. SO FEEL FREE TO DIVE INTO THAT IF YOU WANT TO LIKE REALLY COMB THROUGH. I'M NOT GOING TO COVER ALL OF THIS EXACTLY. I DON'T NEED TO READ IT TO YOU, BUT IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU KNOW, THEM ALL MAPPED OUT AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT. SO SOME OF THEM ARE, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS ON COURTS OR PLAYGROUNDS. WE DO GET SOME ERRANT THINGS ON, LIKE TRANSPORTATION THAT POP UP HERE AND THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE GIVING ME A FORUM TO COMMENT. IT MIGHT NOT BE SPECIFICALLY PARK RELATED, BUT IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE, ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT CONNECTIONS TO PARKS. LOTS OF COMMENTS ON OLD ATHLETIC FIELD FOR THE MOST, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT LIKE, STRICTLY THINKING ABOUT THAT AS ONE OF THE PARKS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK LIKE IT DOES SERVE A RECREATIONAL ROLE IN THE CITY. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KEEP IN MIND. BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO SEE LIKE YOU'VE MADE INVESTMENTS AND PEOPLE APPRECIATE THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE USE. AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PLACES I LIKE, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT LOTS OF PICKLEBALL COMMENTS. COMMENTS AND IDEAS. THIS IS WHERE WE GO

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LIKE, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK. OH, SURE. WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE DOING A SANDWICH BOARD AT CERTAIN PARKS OR SOME OF THOSE, LIKE LITTLE STAKE SIGNS, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT EVER. THERE'S OVER 30 PARKS. SO I WAS JUST LIKE A PIONEER, LIKE THE BIG ONES. LIKE I NEVER SAW ANY. YEAH. ANYTHING TO GET KIND OF MORE PUBLIC FEEDBACK. I WONDER IF WE COULD POST SOME FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF ENGAGEMENT. IT'LL BE WINTER. BUT, KEN. OKAY, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST I FEEL LIKE IF PEOPLE ARE GOING THERE AND THEN THEY SEE IT, THEY'RE LIKE, OH YEAH, I'VE GOT THIS GREAT IDEA AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA LIKE, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT IN THE MOMENT WITH THEIR SMARTPHONE INSTEAD OF LIKE TRYING TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, FIND A ONLINE WEBSITE LATER ON WHEN THEY GET HOME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE'RE HERE ABOUT IT THROUGH ANOTHER MEANS. RELATED TO THAT. WHEN WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO CLOSE THAT. WHEN IT'S CLOSED. TOTALLY CLOSED. OKAY. YEAH WE HAD IT UP FOR A MONTH. SO IT WAS UP FOR ALMOST ALL OF OCTOBER. AND THEN WE LEFT IT UP FOR A WEEK AFTER THE POP UP. SO I JUST FEEL LIKE IF YOU WEREN'T PART OF ONE OF THOSE MAJOR GROUPS THAT WERE CONTACTED, YOU DIDN'T FIND IT. YOU DIDN'T FIND IT ON FACEBOOK. I NEVER PAGE, I MEAN, WE WE HAD IT POSTED EVERYWHERE. I'M NOT ON FACEBOOK.

I'M NOT ON FACEBOOK. IT'S ON THE CITY'S WEB PAGE. NO, IT WAS IT'S OUT THERE. BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS ADVERTISE. YEAH. THAT'S TRUE I GUESS I NEVER ENCOUNTERED IT IN THE WILD, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. YEAH, YEAH. SAY WE ARE CRITICIZED FOR NOT DOING THAT WITH THE PLAYGROUNDS. NOW WE DO IT RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO PEOPLE COMMENTED ON CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD. AGAIN, YOU GET SOME WITH TRAFFIC AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE GETTING TO THE PARKS. I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING AT STAPLES AROUND THE PICKLEBALL COURTS BEING AN ISSUE. I TOTALLY GET THAT. I'M SURE IF YOU'RE AN ADJACENT NEIGHBOR, THAT GLARE IS REALLY FRUSTRATING. AND SO OFTENTIMES IN PARK PLANS, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT SMART LIGHTING AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE LIGHTING THAT CAN BE DIMMABLE, THAT RESPONDS TO DARKNESS, AND THEN ALSO IS WITHIN A CERTAIN LIGHT OR GLARE RANGE, SO THAT IT'S NOT SUPER IMPACTFUL LIKE SOME OF THE REALLY BRIGHT LEDS CAN BE. KIND OF AMAZING IS THAT

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WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TRIED TO BE PROACTIVE ALL ALONG. YEAH. PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN IMPROVEMENTS TO LOWELL PARK FOR SURE. WE GOT A WIDE RANGE OF COMMENTS ON THAT FROM, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT A STAGE TO OFFERING LESS PERMANENT SEATING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONCRETE PADS OUT THERE TO INCORPORATING ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS, TREE PLANTINGS, OR LAYERING IN NATIVE VEGETATION OR STORMWATER. AND I THINK THAT'S SUCH A BELOVED AREA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY INTERESTED IN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT PARK.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL TAKE A FIRST PASS AT, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE PEOPLE'S INTERESTS LIE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A PARK PLAN PUT TOGETHER FOR THAT. HOW HOW OLD IS THAT? THERE'S AN OLD ONE, BUT I ACTUALLY PUT A NEW ONE TOGETHER. AND WHAT'S HER NAME? ABBY DIDN'T LIKE IT. GABBY. WELL, SHE WAS HERE AND SHE LEFT. OH, OKAY. OKAY, BUT I HAD A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT DO IT FOR FREE, AND WE PUT TOGETHER A WHOLE PLAN. OH, OKAY. SO WE ACTUALLY WANTED TO PUT THE STAGE WITH A SHELL OVER THE TOP, AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND A ONE YOU CAN PUT UP AND DOWN FOR YEARS. OH YEAH, WE JUST HAVEN'T. BUT I CAN'T FIND ONE. WELL, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SENDING ME THE THE PLAN THAT WAS DRAFTED, I'D BE CURIOUS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND ALL THE ALL THE GARDENS WERE DOWN THERE, ALL THE PLANTS, EVERYTHING. I'LL TRY TO FIND IT. YEAH, BUT THERE WAS A REGULAR PLAN. IT'S IN THE CASE OUT HERE. THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER FOR LOWELL PARK. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK IF IF THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER TIME THAT HAVEN'T EVER GOTTEN TRACTION, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE. THOSE FOUNTAINS, WE HAD FOUNTAINS PLANNED. THERE WAS FOUNTAINS DOWN THERE YEARS AGO. AND THEN THERE WAS A THERE'S A THERE USED TO BE A BUNCH OF PHONES IN THERE. AND THEN WE TRIED THERE WAS ONE GUY HAD IT, ONE OF THEM ON HIS FRONT PORCH.

THEY USED IT FOR HORSE WATERING DOWN THERE ORIGINALLY. YEAH. FOUNTAINS ARE TOUGH IN OUR CLIMATE TO MAINTAIN PUBLICLY, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THEY WOULD FIT REALLY NICELY. NOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO PUT A SPLASH PAD DOWN THERE. SO WE DID GET A COMMENT ABOUT SPLASH PAD. YEP, WE DID PUT IT ALL OVER THE YEARS. SO. LET'S SEE. YEAH. SO AGAIN, JUST LIKE WITH THE THE IDEAS AND COMMENTS, WE'LL BE SIFTING THROUGH THIS LIST LIST. AND THEN ANYTIME WE GET ONE THAT SEEMS GERMANE, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS OKAY. DID ANYBODY SEE ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAT CAUGHT THEIR EYE.

IS THAT CLUMP. OH THE ATHLETIC FIELD. YEAH. WHICH IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY. BUT I'M READING SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS. IT'S LIKE WE WENT OVER THIS. BUT YEAH WE'VE TOLD THOSE PEOPLE FOR YEARS THAT WE IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY IF THEY WANT IT IN THE CITY PARK, BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WON'T GIVE IT UP. BUT I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE EVEN JUST LIKE MARKINGS FOR LIKE A CROSSWALK AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I THINK ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD VISIT. YEAH, I THINK IT JUST OVERALL HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED TO IMPROVE THAT LINK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN SOME AREAS, WHICH I THINK THAT'S VALUABLE JUST AS A AN ITEM. AND I KNOW YOU'VE TRIED YOUR BEST ON A LOT OF IT. SO THERE'S LIKE PERMANENT BATHROOM. THEY'VE SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT. SO THEY DO NOT WANT THAT THERE AT ALL. YEAH, I KNOW THEY DON'T WANT IT.

BUT LIKE THE COMMUNITY WANTS IT. THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE US PERMISSION TO PUT ONE UP EITHER. NO I KNOW I'M SAYING THE SCHOOL DOESN'T WANT IT. YEAH. THEY TORE IT DOWN AND NOW THEY WON'T. THEY DO NOT WANT TO PUT A NEW ONE UP. I AM SURPRISED THERE'S NOTHING THERE ABOUT THE PUBLIC DOCK THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN DOWNTOWN AT BRIDGEVIEW PARK. AND THERE'S BATHROOMS. BEING IS BEING DESIGNED RIGHT NOW FOR BATHROOMS DOWN THERE. THERE'S NOTHING ON THERE. THERE'S THERE'S NO BATHROOMS ALONG THAT TRAIL ALL THE WAY ALONG THE RIVER. YEAH, OR NOT MUCH FOR BATHROOMS, I SHOULD SAY. RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK JUST THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE CHOOSING NOT TO LISTEN. THAT'S ALL I MEAN BY THAT. MAYBE. I MEAN, IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE IT IT'S A CONTINUED ISSUE AND WE'VE TRIED OUR BEST. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THEY LIKE THEIR OWN BATHROOMS IN THEIR OWN SCHOOLS BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENS THERE. SO BUT WE DO HAVE A

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YEAH. SO WE DON'T HAVE I MEAN TYPICALLY WE HAVE PORTA POTTY THERE FOR THEM. SO WE'RE CONSISTENT. IT'S A CHALLENGE. YEAH. I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION OR THOUGHT THAT WAS BEING BROUGHT UP, AND I WAS ASSUMING THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN SUPERINTENDENT ROGERS IS REVIEWING THIS, BUT I WAS KIND OF WONDERING, LIKE, ARE YOU GOING TO BE IN ADDITION TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, ARE YOU GOING TO BE LIKE KIND OF LOOKING AT HIS THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS AS IT RELATES TO THE FACILITIES ACROSS THE SYSTEM? BECAUSE, LIKE, I WAS KIND OF WONDERING HOW THAT COULD MAYBE HELP HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE ISSUES HE ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT AND SEES, BUT COULD YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS OF SO WHEN WE DO THIS, OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC IS REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT THERE'S SO MUCH INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE WITHIN THE CITY STAFF.

AND SO IT'S DEFINITELY A BLEND. AND OBVIOUSLY THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF RECENT UPDATES TO PLAYGROUNDS. AND SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT SORT OF WHAT'S ON THE DOCKET FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AND INCORPORATING THAT IN. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG SORT OF MIX OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM STAFF, AND THEN JUST WHAT MAKES SENSE, TRENDS WISE AND DEMOGRAPHICS WISE, AND THEN FOLDING INTO LIKE WHAT YOU ALL ARE THINKING IN TERMS OF VISION AND MISSION AND VALUES FOR THE PARK SYSTEM. SO YOU ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH STAFF BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEY SEE IT EVERY DAY AND THEY LIVE IT. SO. OKAY, DEFINITELY. SO MOVING ON TO THE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WE PUT OUT, LIKE I SAID, WE HAD OVER 150 VISITS TO THE SITE AND MORE THAN 130 FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY SUBMITTED THE FULL QUESTIONNAIRE. SO WE HAD A RELATIVELY REPRESENTATIVE DEMOGRAPHIC IN TERMS OF ETHNIC BACKGROUND. WE HAD SLIGHTLY MORE WOMEN FILLING OUT THE THE SURVEY THAN MEN. AND THEN THE AGE I THOUGHT WAS REALLY PRETTY WELL DISTRIBUTED, ACTUALLY, WHICH IS NICE TO SEE A GOOD MIX OF DIFFERENT AGE CLASSES, INCLUDING A FEW YOUNG PEOPLE, WHICH YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET. AND THIS IS ONE QUESTION, THIS DISABILITY QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOUND VERY HELPFUL WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, BECAUSE BEING DISABLED IS ONE OF THOSE SORT OF CLASSES WHERE, LIKE, ANYBODY CAN BECOME DISABLED AT ANY TIME, REALLY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THEIR LIFETIMES WHO ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE DISABILITY, WHETHER SHORT TERM OR LONGER TERM. AND SO I FIND IT REALLY IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT DEMOGRAPHIC WHEN WE'RE DESIGNING, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IF YOU'RE DESIGNING FOR SOMEBODY WHO EXPERIENCES A DISABILITY, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT INCLUSIVE FOR ANYBODY WHO'S NOT. AND SO THE INSIGHT THAT WE GOT FROM THE COMMENTS OF PEOPLE WHO NOTED THAT, YES, THEY DO GO TO THE PARKS WITH SOMEBODY WHO EXPERIENCES A DISABILITY, OR MAYBE THEY DO THEMSELVES. I THINK THEY GIVE US SOME GOOD INSIGHTS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS ON THE BROWNS CREEK TRAIL BEING PRETTY NARROW AND NOTING THAT IF YOU HAVE REGIONAL TRAILS, IT'S REALLY HELPFUL FOR THEM TO BE WIDE ENOUGH FOR A SERVICE DOG OR SOMEBODY WITH A CANE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHAT? THAT WAS IN PARKS FOR YEARS AND I'VE NEVER HEARD THIS. WHAT IS WHAT IS THE TRAIL WIDTH? BECAUSE THAT TRAIL WIDTH OUT THERE I KNOW IS TEN FEET. YEAH. TEN FEET IS REALLY STANDARD TO BE HONEST. RIGHT. EIGHT FEET IS LIKE A LITTLE NARROW BUT STILL.

RIGHT. BUT WHAT'S IS THERE A HANDICAP SIZE I THINK. I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT THERE'S NOT A STANDARD FOR IT. MINNEAPOLIS IS STARTING TO DO 12 FOOT TRAILS IN A LOT OF THEIR. SO THEY MUST AND IT MUST BE WITH A TRAFFIC TOO, RIGHT? BROWNS CREEK EXPERIENCES LIKE A FAIR AMOUNT.

WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE VARIETY OF USERS, ESPECIALLY FASTER ONES ON ELECTRIC SORT OF VEHICLES OR MOBILITY DEVICES. AND SO PROBABLY LIKE A NEWER EXPERIENCE THAT THEY WANTED TO NOTE. SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. OBVIOUSLY WITH REGIONAL TRAILS, WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH SORT OF SAY, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY ESTABLISHED AND THERE'S USUALLY JURISDICTIONAL COMPLEXITY. BUT INTERESTING TO NOTE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE EXPERIENCE PARKS DIFFERENTLY.

AND SO SENSORY INPUTS CAN BE TRICKY FOR SOME FOLKS. SO LOUD NOISES, CONCERTS, SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE'RE ADDING THAT TO THE PARK SYSTEM, WE'RE DOING SENSITIVELY.

ADA FRIENDLY PLAYGROUNDS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HEAR A LOT, MAKING SURE THAT EVEN FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, WE HAVE ADA ACCESSIBLE CONNECTIONS FROM SIDEWALKS WE HAVE POURED IN

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YOU KIDDING? WE DID ASK A QUESTION ABOUT PEOPLE'S RELATIONSHIP TO STILLWATER, WHETHER THEY'RE RESIDENT, IF THEY HAVE KIDS WHO GO TO THE SCHOOLS, IF THEY WORK HERE. SO PEOPLE COULD PICK MORE THAN ONE WAY THAT THEY RELATE. BUT IT DID HELP GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A, A SNAPSHOT OF IF THERE WERE SPECIAL INTERESTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A LOT OF IN THE SURVEY. AND LIKE I SAID, WE DID HEAR FROM A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WERE INTO COMMUNITY AGRICULTURE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT WASN'T LIKE THERE WAS A HUGE SKEW TOWARDS ONE SPECIAL GROUP. SO I REALLY LIKED READING THIS. HOW OFTEN DO YOU VISIT ANY OF THE PARKS? I MEAN, WELL OVER HALF DAILY OR WEEKLY. SO IT'S JUST LIKE A BIG PART OF PEOPLE'S DAILY LIVES, WHICH IS REALLY AWESOME TO SEE. AND THEN HOW PEOPLE SPEND TIME IN THE PARKS AGAIN, THEY COULD PICK MORE THAN ONE, BUT OFTENTIMES PEOPLE ARE GOING WITH FRIENDS OR FAMILY OR A GROUP. AND SO HAVING THOSE AMENITIES THAT KIND OF CATER TO A WIDER VARIETY OF AGES AND ABILITIES, I THINK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. DOG PARK USERS DEFINITELY BRINGING THEIR DOGS INTO PARKS, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR WALKS OR AT THE DOG PARK. AND THEN WE DO HAVE CATEGORIES OF PARKS. SO WHETHER THEY BE THE RIVERFRONT PARKS, THE COMMUNITY ONES, DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE REC CENTER, BROKEN OUT. AND SO RIVERFRONT PARKS, DEFINITELY THE MOST POPULAR. WE DID GET THE MOST COMMENTS ON THOSE IN THE MAP. SO I THINK THAT CHECKS OUT. BUT COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY IN DOWNTOWN PARKS, BOTH EQUALLY SORT OF POPULAR.

AND THEN WE SEE THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE DRIVING, BUT PLENTY OF PEOPLE ARE GETTING TO THE PARKS ON FOOT OR BIKING. AND THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S BIKE PARKING AT EVERY PARK. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE MAKE SMALL INVESTMENTS THAT JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR FOLKS TO USE THEIR DIFFERENT PARKS. AND THEN MOST PEOPLE AREN'T HAVING JEWS. OF NOTE ACCESSING THE PARKS. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A HANDFUL. AND THAT'S REPRESENTED HERE SAYING PARKING IS DIFFICULT OR FOR CARS OR FOR BIKES. AGAIN, WE HAD SOME ADA ACCESSIBILITY NOTES IN PREVIOUS QUESTIONS. SO THAT'S REPRESENTED HERE AS WELL. AND THEN JUST SOMETIMES PEOPLE FEELING UNSAFE. THE RESPONDENT ABOUT PARKING NEAR LOWELL PARK. SO IT'S DOWNTOWN PARKING AS A HINDRANCE SOMETIMES. AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAP OUT SOME OF THESE PARK CONNECTION ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE NOTING, SO THAT WE CAN BE REALLY PRESCRIPTIVE WHEN WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. SO LIKE AUTO PARK IS NOT A CITY PARK. THAT'S NOT EVEN OUR PARK, STILLWATER TOWNSHIP. YEAH, I'VE SEEN AUTO DOWN THERE A FEW TIMES, BUT THAT'S THAT'S NOT OUR PARK. YEAH. AND I THINK BIKING WITH FAMILIES IS IT'S A BIG BARRIER. RIGHT. IF YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT, IT TAKES A LOT OF INVESTMENT AND THEN IT MAKES EVERYBODY FEEL A LOT SAFER BIKING. BUT CHIPPING AWAY AT SORT OF THE BIKING WITH LITTLE KIDS, THAT TAKES A BIG LIKE THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND INVESTMENT. SO

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YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USING TRAILS MORE SO THAN, SAY, VOLLEYBALL COURTS. SO IF YOU SPEND LIKE FIVE MINUTES WITH THIS GRAPH, I THINK YOU'LL START TO SEE SOME CHANGE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AGAIN, WILL WILL PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THESE LIKE FINE BUT GOOD COULD BE BETTER OR THOSE UNSATISFACTORY AREAS. AND THEN WE ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT FACILITIES THAT THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY PRESENT IN THE SYSTEM THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN.

I THINK WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO GET A FAIR AMOUNT WITH LIKE COMMUNITY WADING POOL, SPLASH PAD, SWIMMING. PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THAT, BUT ALSO LIKE CROSS COUNTRY SKIING TRAILS. WHERE COULD WE FOLD IN SOME MORE WINTER RECREATION ACROSS THE SYSTEM? SLEDDING HILL? THAT'S THE OTHER ONE. SO THIS IS HELPFUL FOR US AS WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. AND THEN HERE'S JUST A KIND OF COLLECTIVE LIST OF ALL OF THE RESPONSES THAT WE WERE HEARING.

I'M CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANY THAT STICK OUT OR THAT MERIT SOME CONVERSATION WHILE WE'RE ALL HERE TOGETHER. I THINK WE SHOULD REVISIT THE IDEA OF LIKE A COMMUNITY POOL OR A SPLASH PAD. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A IN HIGH DEMAND. AND MEANS OF RECREATION THAT ISN'T CURRENTLY BEING FULFILLED. STILLWATER. WHEN WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE AND THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT, YOU KNOW, SPLASH PAD CAN BE REALLY URBAN, REALLY FOUNTAIN LIKE, IT CAN BE VERY FLEXIBLE. IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO BE LIKE GIANT DAISIES WITH SHOWER HEADS. SO THERE'S LIKE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE. THAT'S MAYBE LOWER HANGING FRUIT. RIGHT.

SPACE WISE ESPECIALLY THEN MOVING UP TO WADING POOL AND THEN COMMUNITY POOL. BUT YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE PLACES THAT YOU THINK MAKE SENSE FOR THOSE LARGER INVESTMENTS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT AS A LONG TERM RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN YOU REALLY JUST HAVE TO BE OPEN TO IF SOMETHING COMES UP SPACE WISE, WHERE YOU COULD ACQUIRE LAND, THEN YOU'RE READY TO JUMP ON IT BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY PUT THAT THOUGHT IN AND YOU'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO. THIS IS A LONG TERM INVESTMENT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE. SO I'M CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN MIND FOR THOSE BIGGER INVESTMENTS, OR IF IT FEELS LIKE A SPLASH PAD SEEMS LIKE A MORE REASONABLE COMPROMISE. I GUESS I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSION, BUT I JUST I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE THINK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE CAREFULLY. I KNOW RIGHT NOW, LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO PROGRAMING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, LIKE FOR LIKE KIDS SWIM LESSONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, REALLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT YOU CAN GET SWIM LESSONS IS AT THAT RIVER VALLEY ATHLETIC CLUB. AND THAT'S LIKE IT'S PRIVATE MEMBERSHIP, BUT THE LESSONS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. BUT THERE'S SO MANY LIMITED SPACES THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN GET YOUR KID IN THERE TO, TO LEARN HOW TO SWIM. URGE CENTER, I MEAN. COURAGE IS COURAGE, KENNY. NOW, I THINK THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME AT SOME POINT. YEAH, THAT'S FOR SWIM LESSONS, TOO. YEAH, THEY DO SWIMMING LESSONS? YEAH. IMPOSSIBLE TO GET IN. YEAH. I MEAN, THEY FILL UP WITHIN THE DAY THAT IT GOES LIVE WITHIN THE MINUTE. YEAH. LEGIT. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET YOUR KID IN FOR SWIMMING LESSONS. YEAH. SO I FEEL LIKE IF THERE'S LIKE A COMMUNITY POOL, THERE COULD BE COMMUNITY PROGRAMING. I WAS TALKING WITH ONE OF THE ONE OF THE LADIES THAT OFFERS THE SWIMMING LESSONS, AND SHE WAS LIKE, YEAH, IF THERE WAS A COMMUNITY POOL, LIKE, I'D BE DOING THIS EVERY DAY AT NIGHT OF THE WEEK. BUT LIKE, I'M LIMITED BY HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH TIME THE THE PRIVATE POOL WILL LET ME COME IN TO GIVE LESSONS? DOESN'T COMMUNITY OFFER THEM WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL POOL? COMMUNITY THAT

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IT'S. I'M NOT GOING TO PUT THE TAXPAYERS IN STILLWATER IN THAT MUCH DEBT. IT'S. I'D LIKE TO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A POOL FOR THE YOU KNOW. YEAH. AND IT'S TOO BAD. LILY LAKE. YOU HAD THAT. NICOLA AREA MECHANICAL AREA AND WE. AND I'M NOT IN MY OWN CONSCIENCE. I CAN'T OPEN THAT UP AGAIN. NO, I KNOW, AND I'LL NEVER DO IT. I PERSONALLY LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO ONE ON THE RIVER AGAIN. THAT WAS A COMMUNITY POOL FOR YEARS. OR NOT POOL, BUT SWIM BEACH FOR YEARS ACROSS CONNER PARK, ACROSS THE RIVER. SO WE OWN 50 ACRES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER, THE EAST SIDE OF THE RIVER. POOLS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE. I BET IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE.

SO WE'LL DEFINITELY PROBABLY CONTINUE TO SEE. I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION. I'M NOT SAYING LIKE, OH, WE HAVE TO DO IT, BUT IT SHOULD. JUST SEEING THAT THERE WAS LIKE 50 SOME PEOPLE THAT SAID SPLASH PAD OR POOL, LIKE OUT OF A HUNDRED, LIKE THAT'S A TWO THIRDS OF PEOPLE THAT RESPONDED THAT SAID THAT THEY WOULD WANT SOME SORT OF WATER. AND I THINK WE CAN DO A SECTION IN THE PLAN THAT TALKS ABOUT LEVEL OF INVESTMENT, LEVEL OF SPACE NEEDS FOR EACH OF THOSE, AND THEN KIND OF POINT TO, YOU KNOW, SPLASH PAD BEING THE MOST LIKE LOW HANGING FRUIT OF THOSE. THAT WOULD BE AN EASIER SORT OF SHORT OR MID-TERM PROJECT. AND THEN IF THERE CONTINUES TO BE INTEREST IN SOMETHING LIKE A POOL, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A LONGER TERM STRATEGY FOR HOW THAT GETS FUNDED AND HOW YOU BUILD UP THE GOODWILL, YOU KNOW, TO FUND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. IT HAPPENS, BUT IT IS A BIG LIFT. IF WE CAN GET ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES TO GO TOGETHER AND DO IT, LET'S DO IT. YEAH, I AGREE, JUST I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME GIVING THE TAXPAYERS A STILLWATER TO FUND IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. I GET THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO CHAT ABOUT? OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT THE LAST BULLET POINT ON THAT SIDE, THE IDEA OF, LIKE AN INDOOR PLAYGROUND, THAT'S KIND OF A COOL IDEA, TOO, LIKE THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME WITH OUR CLIMATE, FOR SURE. AND OFTENTIMES WHEN YOU SEE A COMMUNITY CENTER, THAT IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THEY GENERATE REVENUE. SO YOU'VE GOT THE INDOOR PLAY AREA AND LET YOUR KIDS GO THROUGH THE TUBES AND PLAY IN THE FOR THE BALL PIT OR WHATEVER, OR BIRTHDAY PARTIES THAT ARE RENTABLE. THEN YOU'VE GOT THE POOL OR THE WATER PARK, THE GYM WITH THE TRACK, YOU KNOW, IT ENDS UP BEING LIKE A HUGE DESTINATION. AND YEAH, IT DOES GET SUPPORTED THEN BY THE THE REGIONAL COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE NOT EVERY COMMUNITY NEEDS ONE OF THOSE. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND. YEAH, YEAH. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE PAC AT THE HIGH SCHOOL WAS TO BE THE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR EVERYBODY. AND THEN THE, THE TAXES WOULD BE SPLIT UP AROUND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO THE WALKING TRACKS IN THERE, THE BASKETBALL COURTS ARE IN THERE, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THERE'S A WAY TO FIGURE OUT A COMMUNITY POOL AND GET THE OTHER COMMUNITIES INVOLVED. I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT. THAT'S THE ONE THING I'VE HEARD HEAR ALL THE TIME. YEAH, WELL, IT'S TRICKY BECAUSE STILLWATER IS SO BUILT OUT. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER. YOU KNOW, LAKE ELMO HAS A LOT OF ROOM RIGHT NOW. YEAH.

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SO THERE'S A COUPLE IN HERE ABOUT COMMUNITY AGRICULTURE, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT IN SOME OF THE UNDERUTILIZED OPEN SPACES. YOU KNOW, NOTES ON SUSTAINABILITY AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT INVESTMENTS THAT WE MAKE ARE KEEPING THAT IN MIND.

THINKING MORE BROADLY ABOUT WHERE WE CAN HAVE INVESTMENTS, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIONS TO THE PARKS AND THE RIGHT OF WAY IN GENERAL, ALSO BEING OPPORTUNITIES. HERE'S OUR SWIMMING COMMENT. IT IS NICE. I WILL, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS LIKE TAKE THE GOOD WHEN IT COMES TO YOU. PEOPLE ARE IN GENERAL PRETTY SATISFIED. WITH THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE. SO I DO WANT TO GET TO A LITTLE BIT OF A VISIONING DISCUSSION. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT OUT OF OUR PARKS AND REC SYSTEM AND WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO AND WHY WE MAKE INVESTMENTS, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO GROUND OURSELVES IN THE MISSION OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION SYSTEM, WHAT OUR VISION IS FOR IT, SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK TOWARDS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE DECADES. AND THEN WHAT VALUES GUIDE WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK BACK TO THESE. WE GENERATE SOME IDEAS AND POINT TO A PROJECT AND SAY LIKE, IS IT FULFILLING? YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, HOW CLOSELY DOES IT ALIGN WITH WITH WHAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT? SO I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO TAKE TWO MINUTES MAYBE FOR EACH AND JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT IS MISSION, WHAT IS VISION, WHAT ARE OUR VALUES FOR THIS. AND JUST THROW THINGS OUT AND WE'LL I'LL WRITE THEM DOWN AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THEM UP AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THESE NATURE EVERYWHERE COMMUNITIES. THAT'S NOT A PROGRAM THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH. NO. REALLY. OKAY. SO IT'S IT'S BASICALLY LIKE A CLIMATE RESILIENCE AND NATURE CONNECTION. AND IT'S IT COMES WITH LIKE A TOOLKIT. AND THESE NATURE COMMUNITIES CAN KIND OF LIKE GO THROUGH THE TOOLKIT AND ADAPT TO THAT. BUT LIKE OUTLINES HOW TO GET CHILDREN INVOLVED IN NATURE AND ALSO LIKE JUST EXPAND PROGRAMING THAT'S OUTSIDE AND IN NATURE. SO CREATES LIKE PARKS AND PROGRAMS. THAT ENHANCE ONE, JUST LIKE SUPPORT CLIMATE CHANGE AND GET PEOPLE IN NATURE, YOU KNOW, SO I CAN SEND THIS TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH, I'LL DO THAT. SO I'M HEARING OUT OF THAT, GETTING PEOPLE CONNECTED TO NATURE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD MISSION TO HAVE. A COUPLE OTHER THINGS I CAN TELL YOU. THE COUNCIL HAS A MISSION OF MAKING EVERYTHING WE DO. PREMIER.

PREMIER. THAT'S THE STATE. THAT'S THE STATEMENT WE USE ON EVERYTHING WE DO. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A DU PREMIER, WE'RE. HALFWAY. THERE. PROMOTING BOTH PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH. AND THAT GATHERING SPACES FOR COMMUNITY. OKAY.

I WROTE, I WROTE DOWN PROVIDING OUTDOOR INDOOR ACTIVITIES FOR CONNECTION AND FUN.

I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD TWO MINUTES. I FEEL LIKE THIS MARKER IS SO LOUD. YOU GUYS CAN HEAR IT, I CAN. I THINK WE CAN ADD TO THIS IF THINGS COME UP, BUT MAYBE LET'S GO TO VALUES NEXT. WHAT DO WE VALUE IN OUR PARK AND REC SYSTEM? UNIQUENESS SAY CREATIVE.

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SAY LOW MAINTENANCE. I WAS WONDERING IF. LOW MAINTENANCE OR LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE THAT IS APPROACHABLE, MANAGEABLE, DEFINITELY TIED TO STAFFING AND FUNDING. THERE'S A FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY TO IT, INEVITABLY. FISCAL.

SUSTAINABILITY. YEAH, RIGHT. OKAY. SAY LAND AND WATER RESOURCES TOO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT BRINGS A LOT OF PEOPLE TO EACH AMENITY. IS THAT AGAIN, COLLABORATIVE? I'D SAY, ALONG WITH ACCESSIBILITY, THE IDEA OF INCLUSIVITY. THOSE ARE GREAT. I THINK THIS IS THIS IS GONNA GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AND FOR THE VISION. SO WHAT DOES THE WHAT DOES STILLWATER'S PARKS AND REC SYSTEM LOOK LIKE IN 10 OR 20 YEARS? HOW DO YOU SEE IT KIND OF TRANSITIONING FROM WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW? I WANT TO SAY PREMIER. BUT I MEAN, IT'S TRUE, THOUGH, WHAT COULD BE MORE PREMIER? YOU KNOW, WHAT NEEDS WORK? WHAT'S KIND OF AVERAGE YOU NEED TO LIKE? WE NEED TO KEEP GOING ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. I MEAN, WE PUT A PLAZA IN DOWNTOWN. WHAT DO YOU DO TO MAKE THAT EVEN BETTER? YEAH. WHAT DO YOU DO TO MAKE LOWELL PARK MORE? WE FIXED IT UP. WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TO DO IT? AND WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH BRIDGEVIEW PARK? HOW DO WE MAKE. YOU GOT TO MAKE YOUR. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU GOT TO DO IT RIGHT THOUGH I DON'T WANT TO JUST SLAP SOMETHING IN THERE JUST TO SLAP IT IN THERE. WE WANT TO MAKE IT HIGH QUALITY AND PREMIER. YEAH. SO WHAT POINT IS IT NO LONGER JUST BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME AND IT'S PROGRAMING IN THOSE SPACES. AND GETTING THE COMMUNITY PART BACK AS A MISSION. INVESTMENTS IN PROGRAMING AND NOT JUST THE PHYSICAL, NOT JUST INFRASTRUCTURE. YEAH. YOU'RE JUST ASKING A QUESTION. IT'S RHETORICAL. BUT LIKE I MEAN IN TERMS OF A MISSION LIKE YEAH, I MEAN IN TERMS OF PARKS AND REC, I, I THINK IT'S ALL ABOUT IT'S ABOUT BRINGING COMMUNITY BACK TOGETHER AND NOT BEING INSIDE OF YOUR HOUSE ALL THE TIME OR NOT. RIGHT. YEAH. AND AND OBVIOUSLY I'M COMING AT IT FROM LIKE, LITTLE KIDS, SKIING PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE COMING TO COLLEGE AND LIKE, HAVE A HARD TIME WITH SOCIAL THINGS. LIKE IT'S THE COMMUNITY PART IS ALL OF IT. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE PART OF JUST TRYING TO BRING THAT BACK AND GET PEOPLE ACTIVE. AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M VISIONING, RIGHT. LIKE YOU TALK ABOUT THE PARKING DOWNTOWN, HALF PARKING IS FREE

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IS THAT PHYSICAL. AND ALSO YEAH. SO I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, WHEN I CAME TO TOWN, OF COURSE, I HAD, YOU KNOW, LITTLE, LITTLE, LITTLE CHILD. SO THEN WE WENT OUT TO ALL THE PARKS. BUT IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT, I'M WONDERING HOW CONNECTED WOULD YOU BE? AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, FROM MY HOUSE, WHERE ARE THE PARKS? THERE. PRETTY CLOSE. I CAN BASICALLY WALK TO THEM. YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S PARKS EVERYWHERE. YEAH. BUT THE DISCOVERABILITY OF IT. YEAH, YEAH. AND WE DID GET SOME PEOPLE SAYING LIKE, I HAD NO IDEA ALL OF THESE PARKS WERE IN THE CITY. THAT'S WHY WE NOW HAVE A PR PERSON. I WAS GOING TO SAY, BECAUSE PART OF IT IS PHYSICAL CONNECTIONS, PART OF ITS MARKETING, ADVERTISING, PROGRAMING, WORD OF MOUTH. I THINK THAT'S TO YOUR POINT ABOUT LIKE YOU DIDN'T LIKE JUST COME ACROSS THE ADVERTISEMENT STUFF LIKE, YEP, IF THERE ARE SO MANY PARKS AND TRAILS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU SHOULDN'T. YOU SHOULD AS YOU GO THROUGH IT IN A NOT IN YOUR FACE WAY. BUT LIKE IF YOU LOOK FOR IT, YOU CAN FIND YOUR WAY INTO THE SYSTEM. YEAH, IN ANY WAY. AND KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING. BUT LIKE WHETHER IT'S ON THE WEBSITE OR JUST KNOWING LIKE YOU GO TO LOWELL, THAT THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS YOU CAN GO TO. WELL, LIKE WE DO LIKE MORE MATH AND SCIENCE WAYFINDING LIKE. YEAH, LIKE OR COMPLETING TRAIL CONNECTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BECAUSE, LIKE SOMETIMES YOU GO WALKING AND THERE'S JUST LIKE A DEAD END AND YOU GOT TO TURN AROUND AND GO BACK. BUT THEN, LIKE, IF YOU KNEW THAT YOU HAD TO GO DOWN THE STREET AND THEN TURN ON THAT STREET AND THEN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF YOU COULD MAKE YOUR WAY TO ANOTHER PART. YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, HOW CAN SOCIAL MEDIA BE LOCAL? I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I'M THINKING, WHO DOES IT HERE IS, YOU KNOW, DISCOVER STILLWATER.

AND THEN I LEARNED ABOUT DIFFERENT STORES AND STUFF. BUT IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S OUT THERE FOR OH, LOOK AT THIS PARK, LOOK AT THIS PARK, LOOK AT THAT PARK. I DON'T PARTNERSHIPS AND WELL, I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS A QUESTION I'VE ALWAYS HAD. IS THAT LIKE FROM OUR COMMUNITY ITSELF. LIKE WE'RE NOT A PROGRAMING COMMITTEE. RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY. AND I THINK FOR SOME DEGREE IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE A BETTER LIKE AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THAT CONNECTION, BUT KIND OF UNDERSTANDING HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT PARTNERSHIP BETTER OR BETTER FOR ME, EVEN UNDERSTAND IT. YEAH, I AGREE, I WANT COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. IS THAT WAS THAT WORK HERE. LIKE STEWARDSHIP VOLUNTEERISM. WELL YEAH THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED. I MEAN I JUST LOOK HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU SHOWED, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE. THERE'S 20,000 PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN. SO YOU HAD 160 PEOPLE PARTICIPATE. THAT'S NOT THAT GOOD. THAT SEEMS LOW TO ME. I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A FOR REFERENCE? I WOULD SAY ANYTHING OVER 100 IS GOOD. YEAH. FOR A TOWN THIS SIZE, HONESTLY, LIKE IT'S OKAY. IT WAS A IT WAS A GOOD RESPONSE. I WOULD SAY WE I'LL FRAME IT THIS

[00:55:01]

WHICH ONES DO WE DIVERSIFY? SO THEY'RE NOT A TRADITIONAL PLAYGROUND THAT'S BASIC, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE. AND WHICH ONES MAKE SENSE TO HAVE, LIKE MAYBE NATURE ORIENTED PROGRAMING OR A FITNESS COURT OR ADVENTURE PLAY SO THAT YOU HAVE A COUPLE SPOTS ACROSS THE CITY WHERE YOU HAVE THAT SORT OF PREMIER OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT WOULD BE COOL TO DO LIKE A PARK FOR KIDS WITH LIKE THEIR NEURODIVERGENT LIKE LIKE WITH SENSORY KIND OF STUFF AND LIKE MAYBE IN A QUIETER NEIGHBORHOOD WITH NOT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, CARS AND TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. OR YOU COULD EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT ACROSS ALL OF THEM, LIKE ELEMENTS OF IT AS WELL. YEAH, THAT MIGHT BE ONE. INPUT. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, YOU COULD PUT IT LIKE. SMELLS THE TOUCHES SENSORY. YEAH, YEAH. AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOW IT. YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. I GOT THE WORD UP TO DATE, BUT I WANT TO SEE, I WANT TO SAY PROGRESSIVE BUT THAT'S A SEEMS MORE POLITICAL THESE DAYS THAN. FORWARD THINKING. FORWARD THINKING. YEAH. DO WE HAVE CREATIVE OUT THERE. SOMEWHERE. IT'S OUT.

YEAH. YEAH. SO I THINK THE WAY THAT WE'LL INTEGRATE ALL THIS IS TAKE A LOOK AT THEM ALL. I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN A LOT OF REALLY GOOD WORDS AND A LOT OF REALLY GOOD IDEAS, AND IT'S ALWAYS TRICKY TRYING TO GET IT ALL INTO A SINGLE VISION STATEMENT. BUT IF IT'S SUPPORTED BY GUIDING PRINCIPLES, I THINK WE LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY AND THAT'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU A ONE SORT OF ONE PAGE SHEET OF LIKE, IF WE LOOK AT THIS AND WE'RE PROPOSING A PROJECT AND IT TOTALLY DRIVES, WE KNOW WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE ALL OF THIS AND TRY TO DRAFT IT INTO SOMETHING COHESIVE. AND THEN IF THERE'S A SUBCOMMITTEE OF A FEW OF YOU THAT WANT TO BE THE ONES WHO ARE LIKE TAKING THE BULK OF THE

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SO THEN YOU HAVE ENGINEERING. IT DOES ALL THE THINGS, ALL THE EDUCATIONAL. IT'S THE COMMUNITY.

YEAH. ALL OF IT. YEAH, YEAH. WHAT'S IN THE FIVE YEAR CIP TO FINISH LOWELL PARK? IT'S IN THE FIVE YEAR CIP TO FINISH. PART OF YOUR CIP TO. LUMBERJACK LANDING. SKATE PARK. YEAH. PARK.

THAT'S THAT'S FOR THAT'S NEXT YEAR. TENURE. WHAT BIKE IS BIKE TRAIL? BIKE TRAIL. TEN YEAR COUNTY BIKE TRAIL CONNECTION ALL THE WAY DOWN. CONNECTING BIKE TRAIL. IS THAT FIVE YEAR RIVER. YEAH, YEAH. ALL THE WAY TO. ISN'T IT ALL THE WAY THE AFTON. IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S A COUNTY THING THOUGH. THAT'S A COUNTY. BUT OURS IS CONNECTING TO IT OR SUPPORTING OF IT.

SUPPORTING IT. YEAH, WE WERE SUPPORTING IT. BUT THAT'S A COUNTY PROJECT OKAY. THE OTHER ONE WAS I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL IN THE WORKS. IT'S THE ONE ON 96 BEAR LAKES. WHAT IS IT CALLED, THE LAKES SOMETHING. WELL, THEY JUST DID A STUDY THAT 96 IMPROVEMENTS. YEAH, WE WORKED ON THAT WHEN I WAS STILL WORKING. OH, REALLY? ALL RIGHT, WELL, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

THANK YOU. YOU GUYS KNOW HOW TO REACH ME THROUGH CHAD. SO I GOT A QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED A SUBCOMMITTEE, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO VOLUNTEER, BUT I'M GETTING THIS DEJA VU. LIKE WHEN YOU WERE HERE BEFORE, THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT VOLUNTEERED FOR SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT MAYBE THAT WAS A DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEE. OR MAYBE I'M THINKING OF SOMETHING ELSE I HAD ASKED ASKED WHEN WE STARTED THIS, AND I THINK A FEW OF YOU SAID YOU'D BE INTERESTED.

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF. YEAH, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT MY NOTES. BUT YOU CAN YOU YOU CAN DECIDE WHO YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE. DO IT. SO. SO THIS IS WHAT I WOULD HOPE THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD DO. SO WE'LL DRAFT THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. WE'LL DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS BY PARK, AND THEN WE'LL DRAFT OVERALL SYSTEM RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN IF YOU GUYS CAN GET TOGETHER AND REVIEW THOSE AND THEN PROVIDE COMMENTS BACK, WE WOULD THEN CONFIRM THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO BE SHOWING STAKEHOLDERS IN THE NEXT ROUND OF ENGAGEMENT. AND THEN WE WOULD COLLECT FEEDBACK FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC AGAIN AND THEN TAKE EVERYBODY'S FEEDBACK AND REFINE IT INTO THE FINAL PLAN. SO THAT'S ARE YOU TALKING TO JASON AND ALL THOSE GUYS AT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? OKAY. AND ROCKY, WE COULD USE MR. PARKS NOW. SO SO ROUGH SCHEDULE. LIKE I SAID, WE'LL BE DRAFTING EVERYTHING IN DECEMBER. IN JANUARY, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO FLOAT IT TO YOU GUYS AND THEN AIM FOR LATE JANUARY, EARLY FEBRUARY FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF ENGAGEMENT. AND THEN WE WANT TO BE GETTING THIS APPROVED IN PROBABLY THE END OF MARCH. SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK AT IT IN FEBRUARY, IS THAT RIGHT? NO.

JANUARY. JANUARY. OKAY. OUR NEXT MEETING IS UNTIL JANUARY 26TH. RIGHT. SO THEN SUBCOMMITTEE SHOULD GET TOGETHER PRIOR TO THAT. YEAH, YEAH. DO YOU REMEMBER WHO VOLUNTEERED FOR IT? I KNOW YOU DID. I KNOW YOU DID. I FEEL LIKE I THINK THAT WAS IT. YEAH.

CHRIS. YEAH. YEAH YEAH. OKAY. SO PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. ARE YOU GOING TO DO LIKE A GOOGLE SHEETS FOR INDIVIDUAL PARK OR ARE YOU GONNA. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

NORMALLY I PUT OUT A PDF AND THEN I PUT IT ON THERE'S LIKE A DIGITAL REVIEW OR A VIRTUAL REVIEW PLATFORM WHERE YOU CAN JUST DRAG COMMENTS RIGHT INTO IT, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT

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OKAY. GOOD. ALL YOURS. THAT COVER AND THEN. YEAH. WELL I THAT THAT LETTER SHOULD ALL BE IN HERE. I MEAN THAT EMAIL I CAN READ THAT. YEAH. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO. IT'S NOT YOUR EYES ON EVERYTHING I DON'T KNOW. OH, WHY DON'T YOU BOTH SAY YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE AGAIN? SO WE HAVE IT. OKAY. THANK US. FIRST AND LAST. I WAS LIKE, I WAS REALLY, LIKE, DENSE ASKING THIS QUESTION. I'LL START. I'M RICK, I'M THE BOARD CHAIR FOR SUSTAINABLE STILLWATER AND LEADER OF THE TRANSPORTATION WORKGROUP VERSUS GENERAL STORE. ALLISON MCGINNIS, LEAD OF THE STILLWATER PROGRAM. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. DID ANY OF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO READ ALL THIS? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO. LET'S SEE. SO I GUESS, YEAH, AMY COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW,

[VI.3. Lumberjack Landing - Sustainable Stillwater Partnership Proposal]

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AND THIS IS WHAT I HAD PUBLISHED OR HAD. PROPOSED. SO BUT HERE'S THE. DOWN HERE IS THE THE BASIC ACTIONS. AND IT REFERENCES THE GREEN STEP BEST PRACTICES FOR. SO WHEN YOU LOOK ABOVE THE THE PAGE THAT I WAS JUST ON, THIS IS KIND OF A MORE DETAILED VIEW OF EVERYTHING. SO.

CAN YOU ALL SEE IT? OKAY, OKAY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS QUITE A FEW. BUT THEN AGAIN YOU KNOW THERE'S CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT YOU HAVE TO DO. NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT PICK AND CHOOSE. AND THIS MAY CHANGE FOR OVER THE YEARS TO. BUT THESE ARE THE MAIN CATEGORIES AND THINGS THAT THESE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS TO. BY THE WAY, YOU CAN MODIFY THESE TO MAKE IT FIT. SO YOU HAVE TO DO LIKE SO FOR ONE HABITAT YOU PICK I THINK IT WAS THREE OF THOSE. AND THOSE ARE THE HIGH LEVEL ONES AND THERE'S ALL THE SUBBULLETS. BUT YEAH SO YOU DO LIKE 1.2 CREATE AND PROTECT HABITAT. BUT THEN HOW YOU DO THAT IS KIND OF UP TO YOU. YEAH I MEAN THEY'RE FLEXIBLE ABOUT THIS. BUT IF YOU, IF YOU JUST YEAH KIND OF HIT ON IT AT SOME POINT AND, BUT YOU DON'T DO EVERY SUBBULLET. NO. BUT YOU, YOU. RIGHT. BUT SEE THIS IS THIS IS FROM GREEN STEP THOUGH, RIGHT. WELL IT'S BOTH THIS IS FROM IT'LL REFERENCE A GREEN STEP RIGHT HERE. BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE AUDUBON WHEN IT FIRST CAME ABOUT THIS THIS WHOLE THING NOW IS KIND OF BEING TAKEN OVER BY AMERICAN BIRD CONSERVANCY IN SOME AREAS. OKAY. SO HERE, HERE'S HERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, REAL I WAS GOING TO MAKE ON GREEN STUFF. IS THAT SO. SO THERE'S STEPS IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH GREEN STEP PROCESS. AND SO I BELIEVE WE'RE STEP THREE RIGHT NOW. AND SO THE IDEA IS THERE ARE ELEMENTS IN THERE THAT WILL GET YOU TO A PARTICULAR STEP. AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO EVERY ELEMENT OF EVERY SECTION. BUT THE MORE YOU DO IS THE ACTUAL PATH FOR INCREASING THE LEVEL, THE STEP YOU'RE AT. AND SO IT'S REALLY THE BASIC INTENTION IS THAT YOU'LL CONTINUE DOING THE ELEMENTS OF GREEN STEP. AND AS YOU CONTINUE TO ADD THEM TO THEM, THEN YOU'LL CONTINUE TO GO UP THE STEPS TO IN TERMS OF YOUR LEVEL OF CERTIFICATION. SO SO IT IS AN INTENTION TO KEEP ADDING FROM EVERY SECTION. SO HOW DOES THAT OVERLAP WITH BIRD CITY. BECAUSE THIS PROPOSAL IS TO BECOME A BIRD CITY, RIGHT. SO HOW DOES THAT OVERLAP WITH GREEN STUFF. BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THE TASKS ARE THE SAME. AND IT'S I'M MORE FAMILIAR WITH GREEN STUFF THAN AUDUBON, BUT IT'S REFERENCING THE GREEN STEPS, THE ACTUAL ELEMENTS IN GREEN STEP IN THERE IN THE AUDUBON CRITERIA. SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE ALREADY DOING FOR GREEN STEP, WE SHOULD BE DOING IT FOR GREEN STEP ANYWAY FOR THE PRICE OF ONE. YEAH, RIGHT. AND I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT. YEAH. THE AUDUBON THAT'S THE OVERLAP IN TERMS OF YOUR GREEN STUFF. THAT'S WHERE MY PROBLEM WITH THIS IS ALL THIS. RIGHT. WELL, BUT I THINK THE POINT IS, IS THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GETTING TO IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS NOT TO SAY YOU HAVE TO DO EVERY ONE. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THE QUESTION HERE IS, WELL, DO YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE EVERY SINGLE ONE IN EVERY SINGLE SECTION.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M COMING BACK TO GREEN STEP. THE ANSWER IS NO IS BUT THE BUT THE INTENTION IS THAT YOU'LL CONTINUE WORKING ON DEVELOPING. BUT IT'S NOT AN EXPECTATION. YOU HAVE TO DO EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT. SO YOU COULD LOOK AT THIS, I GUESS IN, IN DETAIL. JUST THERE'S AN OPEN CHAIR. I KNOW I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER THERE. SO AND THERE. AND AS FAR AS BIRD CITY, STILLWATER,

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SO I MEAN, FOR ME, IT GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH HERE FOR ME TO KIND OF GO, WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT CAN'T WE DO? AND THEN I'M GOING, OKAY, CATS, WE DON'T PROBABLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CATS AT LUMBERJACK LANDING, DO WE? WELL, UNLESS THERE UNLESS THERE'S. BUT THAT'S MORE FOR PEOPLE THAT RESIDENTS THAT AND WE JUST LAUNCHED THAT PROGRAM AND IT'S A VERY, VERY TOUCHY SUBJECT YOU KNOW. SO WE HAVE INFORMATION. I WAS ON A WEBINAR ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THIS, AND THEY HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD TIPS. BUT YEAH, SO WE'LL SEE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE ORDINANCES, BUT IT'S IT'S HARD TO MAKE THOSE. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT HERE. YEAH. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO LIKE NOT NOW BUT LIKE SOMEBODY GOES THROUGH AND CHECKS OFF. WE'RE ALREADY DOING THIS. WE'RE ALREADY DOING THIS.

I SHOULD TELL YOU THAT. THAT'S WHAT I DO. I GO INTO BIRD CITY NETWORK, HAS A WEBSITE WHERE FOLKS CAN GO IN THERE AND LOOK, BUT I HAVE TO GO IN THERE. AND EVERY TIME WE COMPLETE SOMETHING, THEN THEN I CHECK IT OFF AND THEN AUDUBON WILL GO THROUGH IT, AND THEN THEY GET ALERTS THAT, YOU KNOW, I ADDED SOMETHING AND THEN THEY'LL CHECK IT OFF THEMSELVES. SO THEN I GUESS I'M UNCLEAR ON THE ASK. SO YOU'RE NOT ASKING US TO DO THESE THINGS? NO, NO, I'M JUST I'M JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY ASKED WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY'RE. YEAH OKAY. YEAH.

SO WHAT IS THE ASK THEN EXACTLY FOR TONIGHT. AND ALLISON, JUST TO CLARIFY IS SO WE'RE WE'RE BIRD CITY TODAY AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS DOCUMENT. YEAH. SO WE'RE CITY TODAY AND WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T SATISFIED EVERY SINGLE. OH NO. NO. AND SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE COMING TO IS THERE. THERE ARE PIECES OF THIS THAT WE'VE SATISFIED, BUT WE'VE SATISFIED ENOUGH TO BE CERTIFIED AS BIRD CITY. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS IN THAT DOCUMENT, WHAT ARE THE PIECES WE'VE SATISFIED TODAY? WHERE ARE WE TODAY? WELL, I WOULD HAVE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THE WHOLE DOCUMENT. RIGHT. NO, NO.

BUT THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IS IS, WELL WHAT ARE THE ADDITIONAL PIECES WE WANT TO SATISFY FOR LUMBERJACK LANDING. AND THEN SET THAT AS AN EXPECTATION. SO IT'S NOT A MOVING TARGET. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR RIGHT. IS YOU DON'T WANT IT. YOU DON'T WANT US TO COME BACK AND SAY, OH, WE EXPECT YOU TO SATISFY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE BIRD PARK.

RIGHT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THE OTHER PARTNERS RIGHT NOW TO THIS ALREADY, AND NOW WE NEED MORE PEOPLE IN THERE. AND I JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED RIGHT NOW. CERTAINLY WE CAN LOOK AT THESE THINGS.

BUT TO SAY THAT THIS IS A BIRD PARK COMPARED TO IT'S PART OF THE NATIONAL SCENIC RIVERWAY, IT'S PART OF THE WILD RIVER CONSERVANCY. IT COULD BE PART OF IT. BUT TO CALL IT A BIRD CITY PARK AND YOU HAVE ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS GOING IN THERE TOO, THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, IT GETS. BUT BUT I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS, WELL, WHAT WHAT IN ADDITION, CAN WE DO RIGHT IS GOING TO BE THE ASK FROM FROM BIRD CITY, SUSTAINABLE STILLWATER, BIRD CITY TO MAKE IT A BIRD PARK. WHAT IS THE GAP. RIGHT. SO DEFINE THE GAP AND THEN COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT THIS GAP IS IS UNDERSTANDABLE AND MANAGEABLE, EXCEPT THE GAP. AND KNOW THAT THERE'S NOTHING BEYOND THE GAP THAT'S GOING TO BE ASKED FOR. BECAUSE YOU'VE HIT YOU'VE HIT THE CERTIFICATION AS A BIRD, AS A BIRD CITY, YOU ALREADY ARE A BIRD CITY. PARK CITY, RIGHT? BUT IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL DESIGNATED BIRD CITY PARK. OKAY, I WAS KIDDING. THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING MY THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING MY PROBLEMS WITH. IS IS IT MAKING IT OFFICIALLY A BIRD CITY PARK? IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE DOING SO. WHAT'S THE GAP? IT'S.

YEAH. IS THERE THINGS WE CAN DO TO ENHANCE THE BIRD POPULATION UP THERE FOR INTERPRETATION UP THERE? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. CAN WE MAKE BLINDS UP THERE? YES. CAN WE DO INTERPRETATION? YES. CAN WE DO YOU KNOW I AND SO I THINK THIS IS CONFUSING A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THIS IS THIS. WELL EVERYTHING THAT'S BECAUSE SOME I KNOW THAT'S. WELL YEAH WE WERE HOPING, WE WERE HOPING IT WAS A LOT EASIER THAN THIS. AND IT'S COMPLICATED. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S BECAUSE SOMEONE ASKED WILL IT TAKE TO BECOME A BIRD? THE OTHER. OH, I GOTTA GET OUT OF THIS. NARROW THE FOCUS ON THAT RIGHT UP THE TOP ARROW. SO IF YOU CAME TO US AND SAY IT'S ALREADY BIRD CITY PARK BECAUSE YOU MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. NO NO NO, NO. OKAY. SO. ALL RIGHT, I GOTTA GO BACK TO THE

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IT'S THEY DON'T HAVE A PROGRAM THAT'S DEVELOPED TO THAT. AND I'M GETTING I GOT DRY MOUTH AND I'M GETTING REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IT. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. NO. BUT SEE OKAY. SO SO WE THAT'S WHY WE SAID BIRD CITY PARK OR A BIRD FRIENDLY PARK. BUT THIS WOULD BE GREAT IF IT WAS A BIRD CITY PARK BECAUSE IT WOULD REALLY FOR THE BIRDING COMMUNITY, IT WOULD REALLY PUT US LIKE ON THE MAP IF WE ACTUALLY HAD A PARK THAT WAS DESIGNATED, BUT IT RECOGNIZED.

IT'S LIKE A PROCLAMATION, SORT OF LIKE WE DID WHAT WE DID WITH WHAT LIGHTS OUT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOTHING REALLY, OTHER THAN THAT. AND THESE WERE JUST SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT WE COULD DO DOWN THERE, ALONG WITH PARTNERING WITH THOSE OTHER TWO. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALREADY IN A PARTNER WITH WRC. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ENHANCE ALL OF THAT RIGHT AT THE SAME TIME.

AND IT'S JUST LIKE IT TO HAVE THAT STATUS. AS A BIRD CITY PARK BIRD. YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW. BUT LET ME READ THIS. LET ME BACK TO THE AUDUBON SOCIETY. IS THAT ARE THERE CRITERIA THAT THE AUDUBON SOCIETY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IT A CERTIFIED AUDUBON SOCIETY BIRD CITY PARK? RIGHT.

AND THEY WON'T. YES, YES. SO SO THAT'S WHY I'M PRESENTING. BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS NO, RIGHT.

BECAUSE AUDUBON SOCIETY HAS NO DESIGNATION AS BIRD CITY PARK. RIGHT. AND SO THEY HAVE SOME BEST PRACTICES THEY'LL THROW OUT THERE THAT, THAT THEY BUT THEY WON'T CLAIM A CERTIFICATION OF THE PARK ANYWAY. AND SO ANY RISK OF SAYING TO BE CERTIFIED BY THE AUDUBON SOCIETY IS GOING TO PUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXPECTATIONS ON THE PARK IS A NON-ISSUE NOW BECAUSE THERE IS NO CERTIFICATION. SO IT'S KIND OF A THING AS A CERTIFICATION. I'M SORRY. SO IT'S KIND OF A YOU COULD KIND OF LOOK AT IT. IT'S A BIRD. IT'S A GOOD THING. YEAH.

THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO MAKE IT. YEAH. IN TERMS OF YEAH. AND YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING TOO MANY TAGLINES, I GET, I GET REALLY I JUST KNOW HOW THIS GOES. I KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE. IF WE SAY, YEAH, WE'RE IT'S A WE BIRD BIRD PRACTICES OR WHATEVER. WHAT WAS YOUR ONE IN THERE? I THOUGHT THAT THAT ONE WAS NOT SO BAD. BUT THE PROBLEM IS I'M HAVING A SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT EVERYTHING BIRD FRIENDLY. THEY'RE GOING TO WANT US TO TAKE OUT ALL THE WINDOWS AND MAKE IT BIRD FRIENDLY. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT'S GOING TO BE NEXT. WELL THAT WOULD. SO COULD I ASK WHO IS THEY? KNOW ALLISON FAR TOO. THAT CAN HAPPEN ALLISON FOR 20, 30 YEARS. SO I'VE KNOWN I'VE KNOWN ALLISON FOR SUSTAINABLE STILLWATER, TOO. AND SUPPORTER OF BIRD CITY. AND BIRD FRIENDLINESS IS WHAT WHAT I'M OFFERING UP TO THE PARKS COMMISSION IS THAT SINCE THERE'S NO CERTIFICATION, OFFICIAL CERTIFICATION THAT'S GOING TO TO TO DRIVE YOU TO AN EXPECTATION THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THE AUDUBON IS GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO BE HELD DEPENDENT ON AUDUBON. THAT'S ALL OFF THE TABLE. AND SO NOW IF AUDUBON IS OFF THE TABLE, THEN IT'S IT'S THE GAP. AND EXPECTATIONS ARE WHAT YOU AND ALLISON COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M OFFERING UP IS, IS IF YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE LIST AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY IS GOING TO CALL OUR BIRD FRIENDLY PARK NOW, AND YOU CAN REACH AN AGREEMENT WITH ALLISON ABOUT WHAT THAT CRITERIA MEANS.

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THAT'S THE END OF THE STORY. NO MORE EXPECTATIONS. I'M SORRY. IT MAY ALREADY BE A BIRD FRIENDLY. IT MAY ALREADY BE. IF YOU AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. IT'S JUST. I JUST I JUST DON'T LIKE SPECIFYING. IT'S GOING TO BE A BIRD FRIENDLY PARK. AND I'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM THE BUMBLEBEE PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE POLLINATORS.

WELL, YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT POLLINATOR FRIENDLY. WELL, WE'RE THE FIRST POLLINATOR FRIENDLY CITY IN THE STATE. AND I MEAN, WE DID BEE LAWNS AT MY CHURCH, BUT YOU'RE NOT POLLINATOR FRIENDLY. YOU'RE CUTTING DOWN THE TREES AT THE PARK UP THERE. YOU'RE DOING THIS, YOU'RE DOING THAT, AND YOU'RE RUINING THE ENVIRONMENT. I DON'T WANT TO. MIKE HAS GONE ON A COUPLE OF YEARS. MIKE, YOU GOT SEAN FOR ALL YOUR STAFF HAS, YOU KNOW, TALKED TO ME ABOUT ALL THIS AND THEY WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE THE PARK GET FINISHED, ESTABLISHED, YOU KNOW, GET THROUGH A FULL ALL THE SEASONS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COMMIT TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT THEY WANT IT TO BE DONE AND FINISHED BEFORE WE START ALREADY PLANNING MORE THINGS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS. THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING. THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD RECOMMENDED TO ME FOR THIS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING. YEAH. WE HAVEN'T EVEN OPENED THE THING YET. IT'S GOING TO BE A YEAR AWAY AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY OF THE TRAILS. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING IN THERE. YOU KNOW, THE FISHING AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK THAT THE WILD RIVER CONSERVANCY WOULD WANT TO WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE THIS FOR THEIR INTERPRETIVE PROGRAMS WOULD BE PERFECT. WELL, THEY DO, BUT I DON'T WANT. YEAH, BUT WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOT THEIR PROGRAM YET. SO WHY WOULD WE JUMP INTO THIS REALLY ISN'T A PROGRAM.

IT'S A PROCLAMATION. KIND OF LIKE A RECOGNIZABLE RECOGNITION. AS I SAID, I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU TO SAY WE WILL WORK WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM, COMMISSIONER. RIGHT.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH YOU ANYWAY, NO MATTER WHAT. I'M SORRY. WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR NOT TO NOT TO EVEN GET INVOLVED IN THIS. WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR. CAN I READ THIS LETTER, THOUGH? LET'S JUST HAVE HER START. SHE'S BEEN HANDLING THE PROPOSAL, AND YOU'VE GOT SOME BULLET POINTS HERE, RIGHT? OF THINGS THAT ARE ARE PROPOSED FOR THE PARK. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I THINK EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE IS GREAT. RIGHT. LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A PLACE WHERE SCHOOL KIDS ARE GOING TO GO PROGRAMING THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND I FEEL LIKE HAVING SOME SIGNAGE ABOUT HERE ARE NATIVE BIRDS AND HERE'S WHAT TO LOOK FOR. THAT KIND OF STUFF IS A GREAT IDEA. PLANTS FOR BIRDS. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S PRETTY REASONABLE AND PROBABLY ALREADY IN THE PLAN. AND THEN THE ANNUAL BIRD MIGRATORY BIRD DAY EVENT LIKE, HECK YEAH. LIKE LET'S FOR ONE DAY THAT THAT LET THAT RECREATION CENTER HAVE THEIR MIGRATORY BIRD PARTY OR WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW. BUT I FEEL LIKE I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE BULLET POINTS ON THIS LIST THAT ARE REASONABLE. ASKS OKAY, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I'M OFFERING.■ YEAH. NO, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE WHOLE OKAY. THE WHOLE. BUT LET ME READ THIS LETTER FROM AUDUBON BECAUSE THEY OR IT'S AN EMAIL FROM DIRECTED TO ME. I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU. SO CAN I READ THIS BECAUSE IT JUST SAYS, ALLISON, THANKS FOR REACHING OUT ABOUT THE NEW LUMBERJACK LANDING PARK AND STILLWATER. AS WE DISCUSS, AUDUBON DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE AN OFFICIAL BIRD FRIENDLY BIRD OR BIRD PARK DESIGNATION FOR A PROPERTY. BIRD CITY STATUS THAT STILLWATER ACHIEVED THROUGH THE ORIGINAL AUDUBON MINNESOTA PROGRAM ADDRESSES THE SAME CONSIDERATIONS AT THE COMMUNITY LEVEL. IT IS AN INTERESTING CONCEPT TO APPLY TO SOME OF THE BEST PRACTICES, SOME OF THE BEST PRACTICES TO A PUBLIC PARK TO TO PROMOTE BIRD FRIENDLY PRACTICES, EDUCATION, COMMUNITY, DRAW INTEREST FROM VISITORS.

THE LUMBERJACK LANDING PROPERTY IS PARTICULARLY NOTABLE BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION ON THE SAINT CROIX UPPER UPPER MISSISSIPPI RIVER IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON HABITAT RESTORATION, AND WE HELP THEM WITH WRC ON THIS TOO. ALONG THIS STRETCH OF THE RIVER. GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS CONTINUATION OF THE MISSISSIPPI FLYWAY FOR MIGRATORY BIRDS, RELATED. LUMBERJACK LANDING ALSO SITS IN PROXIMITY TO THE GLOBAL AND STATE IMPORTANT BIRD AREAS. THAT'S IDA. THEY'RE DESIGNATED THAT BY US FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE. WELL THAT'S RIGHT RIGHT HERE. DO WE HAVE THAT LETTER IN OUR THAT YOU SENT US? I GAVE IT TO CHAD, BUT I CAN'T SHARE THAT. OH, OKAY.

OKAY, I GOT IT. AND ACCORDING TO CORNELL'S EBIRD OPEN SOURCE OBSERVATION COLLECTION, THERE

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COMMIT TO ANYTHING ANYTIME SOON. TAKE IT OFFLINE. AND MAYBE A SMALL GROUP OF US GET TOGETHER AND GO THROUGH THE OTHER THING. AND THIS THING ALSO SAY WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING AND DECIDE, DO WE THINK THAT'S ENOUGH WHERE WE CAN CALL OURSELVES A BIRD FRIENDLY CITY BIRD CITY PARK? AND IF NOT, WHAT THE GAP IS, AND THEN A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL TO FILL THAT GAP AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO THIS GROUP LIKE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. SO YOU'RE IT'S CLOSER TO AFTER AFTER IT'S BUILT. AFTER IT'S AFTER. WELL, WE'RE READY TO START. YEAH. I MEAN, THE ONE THING I WANT TO DO FOR THEM IS I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO COME BACK EVERY WEEK BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS NEW IDEA THAT THEY SHOULD SHARE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO IF WE CAN GIVE THEM, OKAY, THAT'S UNREASONABLE, THOUGH. THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I LIKE THE I LIKE THE MOTION. DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE TO. YEAH, BUT I STILL GET THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU'RE NOT. AND IT'S PARTLY MAYBE MY FAULT THAT YOU'RE NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. YOU. YOU WERE COMING CLOSE. I MEAN, NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO DO BIRD FRIENDLY THINGS DOWN THERE, BUT IT IS KIND OF A MARKETING TOOL. I MEAN, IT IS BECAUSE IT'S WE WOULD BE THE FIRST AND I KNOW THE BIRDING COMMUNITY WELL ENOUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE ENGAGED DOWN THERE. AND I THINK THE REAL ISSUE IS TWO THINGS WITH MIKE. I THINK HE'S WORRIED THAT WE'RE SOMEHOW GOING TO. RUIN THINGS FOR THE PARK SERVICE OR, I DON'T KNOW, JUST JUMPING THE GUN. I'M JUST WORRIED WE'RE JUMPING THE GUN. WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED. WE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE OUR PROGRAM WITH WILD. AND BY THE WAY, I STARTED THIS ASK WAY IN THE BEGINNING. I KNOW YOU DID. I TOLD. THE OTHER THING IS, I KNOW THIS AND I'LL JUST SAY IT.

I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE IN THE CITY ARE REALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING OR UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT GLASS ON THE WINDOWS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GETTING AT. SO I THINK THAT'S A BIG PART OF THIS. JUST GETTING A LITTLE OFF TANGENT. IF WE'RE JUST JUMPING THE GUN RIGHT NOW, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN. WE'RE JUST JUMPING THE GUN. IF WE KNEW IF WE HAD, IF WE HAD WILD RIVER CONSERVANCY IN THE NATIONAL PARKS, SITTING HERE SITTING AT THE TABLE AND SAY, WE CAN DO THIS AND DO THAT, LET'S LET'S TABLE IT. EXCEPT FOR YOUR DO YOU WANT A MOTION OR DO YOU NEED A MOTION? YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A LEGIT MOTION, BUT BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST HAVING A SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK THROUGH THOSE THINGS. I MEAN, IF IT WOULD BE USEFUL, I WILL VOLUNTEER TO WORK WITH THESE GUYS AND TRY TO PUT THAT TOGETHER SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHICH OF THOSE THINGS ALREADY EXIST AND WHAT OTHER ONES WE WOULD WANT TO EXIST TO CALL IT RIVER CITY PARK. DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? I DON'T THINK SO. YEAH. YOU JUST GO. YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE BETTER OFF WITH A COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE OPERATION. YEAH I AGREE, WELL, YEAH, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE KAYAKING AND CANOEING. YET WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE OPERATION OF IT. ARE WE GOING TO RENT IT OUT? ARE WE NOT GOING TO RENT IT OUT LIKE ONE PIECE THAT GOES TO THAT COMMITTEE? SURE. SO THE WAY THAT WE ENDED THIS CONVERSATION LAST TIME WAS THAT WE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE PROGRAMING DOWN THERE YET AT ALL. THAT'S RIGHT. WE DON'T WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO. WE HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE MISSION VALUES AND ALL THAT STUFF. YEAH. ABOUT THAT PROPERTY. BEFORE WE CAN EVEN AGREE TO ANYTHING ELSE. AT THIS POINT, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING. SO YEAH. SO IT GOES BACK TO PAUSING. SO LET'S LET'S MAKE THAT MOTION. WHAT IS THAT MOTION. THAT WOULD BE A MOTION OF MAKING A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR OPERATIONS AT LUMBERJACK LANDING. CORRECT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT'S A BETTER ONE TO KNOW HOW THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO OPERATE IT. YEAH. ARE WE GOING TO RENT IT OUT? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE DON'T EVEN KNOW. OKAY. YEAH. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE, THE THE ACTIONS THAT THAT WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ALL OF THE THINGS WE JUST READ, THE BULLETED PARTS WE DO THAT THAT IS JUST NOT A ONE TIME AND DONE. WE YOU KNOW, WE DO THAT CONTINUALLY FROM YEAR TO YEAR OR ON FOREVER. SO WE CAN DO THEM DOWN THERE. WE CAN DO THEM ANYWHERE. I MEAN, BECAUSE EVERY SPACE IS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE OPERATIONS PLAN AS TO WHAT YOU'RE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DEFINING THE SCOPE OF THE PART

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THEY COULD BE INCLUDED AS A CONVERSATION, AS YOU KNOW, BUT LIKE, IT WOULD BE NICE. I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE. YEAH. YEAH, THERE'S A WHOLE SUITE OF OTHER THINGS. I'VE BEEN THERE.

SO IT'S JUST THE MOTION TO MAKE THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO START FIGURING OUT TO TAKE INFORMATION ABOUT OPERATIONS DOWN THERE. YOU WANT TO SAY OPERATIONS OR VISION MISSION? I KIND OF WANT IT BIGGER THAN JUST OPERATIONS, BUT OPERATIONS. FOR THE. OPERATIONS AND PROGRAMING AT LUMBERJACK LANDING. OKAY, YEAH. BECAUSE WE WE'RE GOING TO BE LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN DO BY THE PARKING. WE CAN ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW. NO, BUT THE VISION COULD BE SIMILAR TO START PUTTING THE VISION TOGETHER WITH THIS WHOLE THING. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. AS IT TIES INTO THE VISION WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON ANYWAYS. SO. OKAY. IT COULD, IT COULD VERY WELL.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. JUST I DON'T WANT TO JUMP THE GUN ABOUT IT LAST TIME ABOUT DOING THIS. RIGHT. OKAY. SO I'M IN THE MOTION OKAY. IT'S BEEN SECONDED. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? I AGREE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? YOU MEAN I. HI. OKAY. THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANKS FOR PUTTING UP WITH ME. ALL THE INFORMATION. YEAH, YEAH, I PUT UP. WE GOT YOU YOUR DOG PARK, DIDN'T WE? WELL, IT'S NOT ENOUGH. I KNOW THAT I. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. I KNOW YOU FAR TOO WELL. WE'LL HAVE A CAT SANCTUARY. SAY THAT AGAIN. OH, GOD. DON'T EVEN GO THERE. YEAH. OH, YEAH. JUST KIDDING. THANKS A LOT. I SAW YOU DO THE. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. YOU TOO. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT LIKE HOW THAT. SO WE'RE GOING TO FORM A COMMITTEE. LIKE WHO'S GOING TO FORM IT. THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHAIR. YEAH.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHAIR. AND THEN THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S GOING TO RUN IT. AND SO JANUARY WE'LL DO THAT. JANUARY WHAT JANUARY MEETING. WE'LL CAN WE THROW THAT ON FIGURE OUT THOSE DETAILS. COULD BE AN UNFINISHED BUSINESS ITEM OKAY. YEAH. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. YEAH. WE DO FIGURE OUT WHO SHOULD BE ON THAT COMMITTEE. WE CAN THINK ABOUT IT. AND WHO'S GOING TO DO IT FROM THIS COMMITTEE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE CANOEING GROUP OR THE KAYAKING GROUP. I MEAN, I THINK, YEAH, WHOEVER THE NATURE INTERPRETATION GROUP, THE WHOLE THING, PARK SERVICE, I MEAN, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GIVING US A PLAN OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THERE. AND WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT EVEN BACK YET, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO. SO THERE IS ANOTHER GROUP VOLUNTEER FOR THIS ONE, SOMETHING LIKE, I THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE NOT ON THE OTHER ONE. YEAH. I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING. I'M LIKE, WELL, I'M NOT ON THE OTHER ONE. I WANTED TO VOLUNTEER FOR THIS ONE. SO THEY'RE ALMOST EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE BUILDING. THEY WANT TO DISCUSS WHICH THEY WANT TO BE PART OF IT. YEAH. SO IT'S I FEEL LIKE. SO I THINK THEY CAN JUST PROVIDE US INFORMATION IF.

CAN WE GET IT THIS INFORMATION WITHOUT MAKING ANY DECISIONS AS PART OF IT? I WASN'T EVEN GOING TO ADD TO THE AGENDA. IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO KEEP ME FROM US. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, I DON'T HAVE THIS THING. AND THEN WE CAN SAY, HEY, WE GOT THIS. PERFECT. YEAH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. SO WE'RE VOLUNTEERING BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONLY ONES LIKE, NOT ON THAT OTHER COMMITTEE. WELL SO OKAY. YEAH. THREE OF US THAT ARE ON THE LUMBERJACK LANDING. YEAH, YEAH. WHO WAS ON THIS ONE? YOU. THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T ON THE OTHER ON IT. OH. GOT IT.

PERFECT TAG TEAMING. OKAY, SO YOU PASS THAT ON TO SHAWN BECAUSE WE GOT TO START WORKING ON WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. YEAH. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO GET GOING SOON BECAUSE WE GET WE CAN'T WE CAN'T PROBABLY OPEN IT RIGHT AWAY NEXT SPRING ANYWAY.

BUT WE CAN START PLANNING OF WHAT THE EXCITEMENT FOR IT. RIGHT? YEAH. LET ME GET THE PARKING LOT DONE. THE ROAD DONE. I'D LIKE TO GET YOU GUYS DOWN THERE TO SEE A TOUR FOR THAT.

WE WOULD LIKE THAT. IT'S AMAZING. AMAZING. CAN'T WAIT AS MUCH AS INVOLVEMENT AS YOU'D LIKE, I GUESS. OKAY. RIGHT. JUST SAY THE FEEDBACK. IT WAS GREAT FOR THE INITIAL FEEDBACK FOR THE PLAYGROUNDS, BUT WHEN WE PUT THE OPTIONS OUT THERE, WE ALMOST SHOULD HAVE SAID ON THE POSTCARD, LIKE CHECK BACK FOR THE OPTIONS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST A MISS ON OUR PART OR WHAT. WE DID EXTEND IT AND DO IT ANOTHER. I THINK WE WERE GOING TO DO ANOTHER BLAST, BUT. I MEAN WE WE HAVE THESE I SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND THEN WE

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[VI.4. 2026 Playground Design - Benson and Schulenberg]

SOMETIMES THEY MAKE SLIDES LIKE TWO STORIES UP AND THEN THERE'S LIKE THEY LIKE HAVE SHARP TURNS IN THEM AS THEY GO DOWN. BUT NO, LIKE BANKING ON THE SIDES. AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER PARENTS, BUT LIKE IT GIVES ME A HEART ATTACK WHEN I SEE KIDS LIKE FLYING DOWN THOSE THINGS.

AND THAT'S JUST LIKE THAT'S JUST LIKE A GENERAL LIKE I'VE NOTICED THIS AT SEVERAL PARKS, LIKE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. QUESTION IS, I'M THINKING, HOW OLD ARE YOUR KIDS? BECAUSE BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, IT'S LIKE EVEN I'M JUST THINKING MY KIDS. AND THERE'S LIKE, I JUST HAD A PANIC ATTACK EVERY TIME I WENT TO A PARK. SO, SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, MILLBROOK HAS THAT NEW PLAYGROUND THAT BY THE BASEBALL COURTS AND LIKE, YOU GO ALL THE WAY UP THERE AND LIKE, THERE'S LIKE SOME HAIRPIN TURNS TO GET DOWN THAT SLIDE AND I'M LIKE, WATCHING MY KIDS TRY TO NAVIGATE AGE APPROPRIATE AS WELL. SO THAT'S TRUE. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE WHO'S THE FREAKING DAREDEVIL? THAT'S YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE PARENTS WHO LET YOUR LITTLE KID ON THE BIG ONE. THERE'S NO JUST KIDDING, JUST KIDDING, JUST KIDDING. YOU TRY AND STOP A VERY DETERMINED LITTLE I AM JUST KIDDING. HE'S NO. HE'S THE SAME WAY. OH, GOD. SO THE THE ONE SLIDE, THERE'S THE TWO SLIDES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. ONE LOOKS LIKE IT JUST DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY DOWN. LIKE I'M SURE THAT'S THE CHILD THAT'S GOING UNDER. I THINK THAT'S PART OF MY COMMENT IS IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONE OF THOSE HAIRPIN TURNS THAT LIKE, JUST GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND WITHOUT ANY KIND OF BANKING ON. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SHOOTING YOU ONTO THE OTHER SLIDE. ACTUALLY, I'M SURE THAT'S JUST THE THE DRAWING, YOU KNOW, BUT PROBABLY I MEAN, LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A IT GOES UNDER. YEAH. IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES UNDER IT.

MAYBE. YEAH. HARD TO, HARD TO SAY ON THESE. I MEAN THERE'S THE SAFER SLIDE. AGE APPROPRIATE. AGE APPROPRIATE. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF BLANKETS. I KNOW WHAT SHE MEANS. LIKE THE FOUR YEAR OLD, LIKE CRAWL UP AND THEN THEY'RE ON THE HAIRPIN. KIDS COME DOWN TO THEM. YEAH. SO THIS SO THIS WAS A THIS IS MORE. I THINK HE CALLED IT A SHADE OPTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE BIG, BIG SHADE AREA UP ON THE TOP. THAT WAS A PART OF THE FEEDBACK THAT CAME IN. THEY WANTED MORE SHADE ON IT. THERE IS A PAVILION RIGHT THERE WHICH SOMEONE SAID THERE SHOULD BE A PAVILION THERE. AND I'M LIKE, IT'S REALLY RIGHT THERE. SO I DO FEEL THIS PARK DOES HAVE SHADE OPTIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO ACTUALLY PAVILIONS IN IT.

BUT IF THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE'RE INTERESTED IN. SO LIKE I WAS SAYING, THOSE ARE JUST DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF IT. THE SMALLER ONE, THAT ONE LOOKS BETTER. THIS THIS ONE CAME IN WITH ANOTHER ZIP LINE WAS ASKED ABOUT IT'D BE TWO IN THE GENERAL AREA. IS THAT SOMETHING WE THINK IS IMPORTANT? THIS IS BENSON. YEAH. YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE BIG TARP ON THERE. BUT AGAIN THIS SETUP DOESN'T HAVE SWINGS AT ALL BECAUSE IT USES THAT WHOLE AREA FOR THAT ZIP LINE. THAT'S WHAT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS PARK WITH NOT HAVING ANY SWINGS. I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SOMEHOW ARRANGE AND GET MAYBE JUST THE SPINNER OUT OF THERE AND GET SOME SWINGS AND, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THERE. I

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AND YEAH THERE WAS A I THINK I MUST HAVE FORGOT TO PUT THE VIDEO ON JUST THAT SLIDE. I THOUGHT I HAD SENT IT BEFORE BUT MAYBE NOT SHOWING HOW IT'S USED AND OH I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

THAT'S COOL. IF WE WANT TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE, THAT'S DEFINITELY AN INTERESTING OPTION FOR THIS ONE. BUT THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND THERE'S THE SMALLER ONE. BUT HE ORIGINALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE LIKE THIS ONE DIDN'T HAVE THE SWINGS EITHER. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'LL FIT SWINGS BACK IN. I THINK WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO HAVE SWINGS. AS A PARENT OF KIDS THAT USE THE BIG KIDS SWINGS AND AN INFANT, HAVING THEM CLOSE TOGETHER IS REALLY NICE AND WE'VE GOTTEN THAT COMMENT BEFORE. I DO THINK IF WE IF WE GOT TO THE WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE DID AT SUNRISE WHERE IT'D BE LIKE THE SIX. YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH, THAT'D BE WAY BETTER I THINK. YEAH. PLUS YOU WOULD SAY WE CAN REFORM THIS.

HE WAS TRYING TO USE THE OLD SHAPE. I THINK WE CAN FORM IT A LITTLE BETTER. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AS MUCH OF THE MULCH AND EDGING, YOU KNOW, SO IT CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES AND SAVES TO GET IT IN THE BUDGET AND GET ALL THE SWINGS IN THERE. THE ONLY ONE WE IT WOULD BE TOUGH TO GET THE, THE BUDGET WISE WOULD BE TO DO THE ZIP LINE. AND THEN IF YOU WANTED SWINGS IN THERE SOMEHOW I THINK IT WOULD BE TOUGH BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE THIS WHOLE AREA A LOT BIGGER. YEAH, BUT WE DO HAVE THE ZIP LINE AT LILY LAKE. SO I DID ASK BECAUSE I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE ASKED IF WE COULD MAKE IT LONGER OR SOMEONE DID. I MEAN, THIS WAS SET UP AS A 50. ALL YOU'D BE DOING IS ADDING MORE MULCH IN, BUT YOU CAN GET THEM. I THINK THEY'RE 25 FOOT INCREMENTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO YOU COULD GO 70 500FT IF YOU WANTED. BUT THE ONLY THING ABOUT THAT ZIP LINE, THE ONE THAT WE HAVE, IT DOESN'T HAVE A STOP AT THE OTHER END. SO IT ALWAYS STOPS THE FLOW OF LIKE THE KIDS GOING ACROSS AND THEN COMING BACK, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DON'T. MY FIVE YEAR OLD DOESN'T WEIGH ANYTHING. SO SO WHEN HE SWINGS OUT, HE DOESN'T COME BACK. HE DOESN'T KNOW. HE JUST GETS STUCK AT THE OTHER END BECAUSE HE CAN'T. IT DOESN'T COME BACK. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE FOR IS TO PUSH HIM BACK. YEAH. BUT I'M AT THE OTHER END. HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED THEM. BUT IF THERE'S A THERE'S OTHER ONES WHERE THEY, THERE'S THE RAMP ON BOTH SIDES. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT THEY CAN LAUNCH FROM EITHER DIRECTION. I DO FEEL THAT THIS MUST BE DESIGNED. I'M THINKING TO GO ONE WAY. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED YOU NEED MORE SPACE? I WOULD THINK SO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE RAMP YOU CUT OFF, ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LINE YOU'RE LOSING, WHATEVER, EIGHT FEET OF THE RAMP OR TEN FEET. BUT EITHER WAY, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IT IN. WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY IN GENERAL. SO ARE WE. I MEAN, ARE WE LIKING THE BE MORE THAT ONE? THAT ONE? I LIKE THE IDEA OF LIKE ADDING LIKE HAVING SOME KIND OF UNIQUE STRUCTURE AT EVERY PLAYGROUND. I DO LIKE THAT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE. LIKE I DO LIKE THAT. YEAH. ANYTHING PLAY FEATURES ON IT? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU JUST HAVE PLATFORMS. YEAH. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PLAY FEATURES? MONKEY BARS. I KNOW I WAS JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE IT. THAT'S WHAT MONKEY BARS ON THE OTHER ONE AND HOW MANY PLAY FEATURES ARE ON THIS SIDE? A HUGE THING. WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS HAVING THEY LIKE TO LIKE PLAY TAG, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE AREAS WHERE YOU, YOU KIND OF GO AROUND AND CHASE EACH OTHER, AND IF YOU TOUCH THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'RE IT. SO THEY, THEY LIKE TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, AS IT'S LIKE A MOVEMENT. YOU CAN GET THROUGH THE STRUCTURE. IT'S I WILL SAY THAT I FEEL LIKE THE PROPOSALS THAT WE'RE SEEING FOR THE PLAYGROUNDS, THEY SEEM VERY LIKE I FEEL LIKE I'VE SEEN THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

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YEAH, YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T DISAGREE. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS A MORE I KNOW THAT THIS IS MORE OF A VISUAL PARK TOO. LIKE IT'S RIGHT IN THE OPEN THERE. RIGHT. WITH A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT. FLAGSHIPS. RIGHT. IF WE AREN'T HAPPY WITH WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, START OVER. I'D RATHER DO THE RIGHT THING THAN BE DISAPPOINTED. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE DISAPPOINTED? WOWED? I'M NOT DISAPPOINTED. YEAH. SO WHERE? MIKE, GO BACK TO THE OTHER BIG ONE. THE FIRST ONE. WELL, ANY OF THEM. I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE PLAY VALUE ON THEM IS. YOU WANT MORE OF THIS VIEW? YEAH. SO IS THIS THE SAME PROVIDER THAT DOES LIKE I'M THINKING. AND IT'S BEEN YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE. BIG GREEN PARK WHERE I THINK THAT WAS THE ONE THAT HAD LIKE THE BIG PIRATE SHIP AND THE KIDS COULD CLIMB ON. SO IT WAS LIKE A STRUCTURE, WELL DESIGNED. IT WAS GREAT. IT'S MY FAVORITE PARK. NO, I BUILT ALL THAT I KNOW, BUT IT'S IT IS MY FAVORITE PARK. ALL THE MANUFACTURERS WILL MAKE A THEME.

THEY ALL HAVE. THEY HAVE ALL OF THOSE. YEAH, HE DOES IT TOO WHEN YOU GAVE US THE MANUAL ONE YEAR. BUT I THINK ONE OF OUR LIMIT AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THOUGHT WE FOR A LONG TIME WERE TELLING TO DO A SEPARATE 2 TO 5 AND A 5 TO 12. AND I THINK IN A LOT OF THOSE THEMED ONES, THEY WERE LIKE BOTH TOGETHER. I'M NOT POSITIVE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I RECALL SEEING IN THEIR THEMED OFFERINGS AT THE TIME. BUT I THINK WE CAN GO ON THEIR WEBSITE TOO TO SEE.

YEAH, I MEAN, AND IT DOES, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE SEPARATE FEATURES DOES ADD, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL IT ADDS UP, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT QUICKER, I THINK WHEN THE THREE MONTHS MIGHT BE MORE OF A PACKAGE DEAL, BUT OKAY. THAT'S COOL. THAT'S STILL VERY GOOD. BUT YEAH I MEAN I WAS JUST WONDERING BACKGROUND CONTEXT I MISSED THIS. YOU SAID IT RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING. BUT WHEN IT CAME TO THESE SO DID PEOPLE VOTE ON THESE ONES OR LIKE WHAT WAS THE FEEDBACK YOU GOT? THE VOTING IS WHERE IT HAD THE THE COMMUNITY HASN'T VOTED LIKE I THINK I HAVE LIKE 1 OR 2 PER PARK THAT I'VE GOT FEEDBACK ON. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MISS WAS THAT THIS TIME WE GOT POSTCARDS OUT EARLY AND WE A LOT OF HOUSES AND A LOT OF INITIAL FEEDBACK, BUT THEN WHEN THEY WERE VOTING FOR THE OPTIONS, THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAYBE EXTEND THAT PERIOD, SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME MORE FEEDBACK, MAYBE PUSH, YOU KNOW, DO ANOTHER PUSH TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE HERE? AND THEN TRY TO, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST COMMIT TO SOMETHING WITH SINCLAIR SO I CAN IF WE DON'T MAKE THE SAVINGS, WE DON'T MAKE THE SAVINGS. IF, IF WE CAN'T COMMIT BY THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IS THAT A CARGO NET ON THAT ONE? YEAH. IT'S LIKE THOSE CABLES. THESE ARE THOSE CLIMBING? YEAH. YEAH.

YOU DON'T WANT THAT. IT'S A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE. SO WE'RE WE'RE STILL WAITING. STILL WAITING ON TEDDY BEAR PARK FOR THE SPIDER WEB. OH, NO. REALLY? OH MY GOSH. SO WHILE THE TELEPHONE THING IS BROKEN NOW TOO. DID YOU SEE THAT? YEAH. THAT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO BE

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IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO TRAVEL ACROSS THAT. RIGHT. BUT IT'S THAT'S WHAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR. CHIPS. YEAH. AND THEN IT'LL BE PAVED TRAIL RIGHT TO THAT OPENING LIKE YOU'VE BEEN DOING. YEP. YEP. WE'RE DEFINITELY DOING THAT TO EVERY PARK. DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FROM US TONIGHT? NO. OKAY. ONE. NEW BUSINESS. YOU COULD REALLY MAKE THIS REALLY NICELY HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE WITH THE THE PLATFORMS THE TRANSFER PLATFORMS ON THERE AND STUFF. AND THAT'S I THINK BROWNS CREEK. IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER ONES. BUT LIKE YOU COULD PUT IN ONE OF THOSE BIGGER CHAIRS TOO ON THE SWINGS. I, I WAS MEETING WITH THEM, I TOLD THEM I HAVE A PICTURE AND WE WERE GOING TO MEET AND I WAS GOING TO I SHOULD HAVE JUST SENT HIM THE PICTURE YOU SENT ME, BUT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MEET THE OTHER DAY AND THEN HE HAD TO CANCEL. I WAS LIKE, I GOT SOMETHING, I WANT YOU TO. YOU HAVE TO THIS. BUT BECAUSE THAT ONE, YOU COULD TRANSFER SOMEBODY ONTO IT AND THEN. YEAH, IT'S LIKE THE ONE AT PIONEER.

HOW ABOUT NEW BUSINESS HERE AND THE ONE AT BIG MARINA THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ROCK UP THERE.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO. THAT WAS LIKE THE MOST POPULAR THING WE HAD IN THAT SCHULENBURG. JUST THE ROCK. I DID HAVE IT IN HERE. IT'S SCHULENBURG. THE SAME THING WHERE HE WAS GOING TO DO THE INITIAL SLIDE OR THE SWINGS. THAT'S WHY IT'S AN OPEN SPACE. BUT. KIND OF THE THREE, THE THREE OPTIONS AGAIN. AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFERENT CLIMBING FEATURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SMALLER AREA TRIED TO FIT AS MUCH IN AS YOU COULD OBVIOUSLY IN A SMALLER AREA. I KIND OF LIKE THAT. THIS IS SCHULENBURG NOW. YES. THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT GOT VOTES AT SCHULENBURG. THIS NUMBER TWO. WHAT'S THE BUDGET PER PLAYGROUND? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE, BUT WE HAD 160,000 FOR THE TWO. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THESE THINGS WE WANT TO DO. MAYBE WE ESTABLISH THE BUDGET AND OUR PLAN. MAYBE WE DIDN'T DETERMINE ENOUGH MONEY. YOU KNOW, JUST DOING SOME SHOPPING HERE. OH, IT LOOKS PRETTY COOL.

I THINK. SCHULENBURG THIS ONE WORKS. I THINK I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A CIRCLE THING UP. YEAH.

WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT. I WAS TRYING TO THINK HE. HE SAID HE DID IT BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TWO SEPARATE. WELL, THIS IS ONE THAT KIND OF ACCOMMODATES BOTH RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S MORE OF A LIKE A VISUAL TYPE OF. OH OKAY. IF I REMEMBER YOU SCROLL UP TO THE FULL PLAN. THERE'S SWINGS AND I'LL GO UP, THERE'S FULL SWINGS AND ALL THAT STUFF. AND THIS ONE HAD IT ALL. YEAH. COULD I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO WITH THAT ONE? YEAH. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. PUT THE YOU DID THE FIRST ONE.

THERE'S A NOTE TAKERS GOING TO HAVE. TOUGH WITH THAT ONE. YES. THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S JUST REWIND OKAY. LET ME GO IN AND GET ON TO THE NEW BUSINESS. YES PLEASE. UNLESS YOU GUYS BY THE WAY, I MEAN YOU GUYS WANT ME TO MAKE IT GO TO TEN? I CAN DO THAT. I'M JUST, YOU KNOW. OR DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO PLAY THE ROLE OF THE TIMEKEEPER, DO THE MASTER PLAN STUFF? THAT IS THE ONLY THING WE SHOULD DO THAT NIGHT. AND SHE ASKED FOR 45 MINUTES, AND IT TOOK THAT LONG.

SO, LIKE, YEAH, SHE GOES LONG. OH, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. LET'S GO, LET'S WRAP THIS. SO YOU WANT ME

[VII.5. Light Up Their Lives - A Fundraiser for Rescue Animals - New Event]

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YEP, YEP. THEY ARE AWARE AND VERY ACTIVE IN THAT. THEY TELL ME SO. AND YES, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS A NUMBER OF EVENTS ON DECEMBER 14TH THAT, YOU KNOW, CHESTNUT PLAZA IS THERE, YOU KNOW, NOTHING I'M ASSUMING. OKAY. BUT THAT'S FOR NOW. THAT'S FOR NOW. THAT'S, THAT'S AND I AGREE WITH YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT STUFF NOW WITH THE PLAZA AND THE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IS THIS GOING TO HINDER THE ACTIVITY OF THE PARK OR THE PLAZA? THEY ARE AWARE OF EVERYTHING THAT'LL BE ON THERE. IT'S ONLY TWO HOURS ON THAT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE LIKE MORE TOWARDS BY LEO'S. BUT YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE THERE'S AN OPENING THERE WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS AND STUFF. SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PHOTOS. SO THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN THE WAY OF ANYTHING. AND IF IT GETS BIGGER, THEY WOULD MAYBE HAVE TO LOOK TO SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY CAN HAVE MORE SPACE. BUT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, I.

THAT'S A GOOD TIME. I'LL JUST. YEAH. JUST ONE QUESTION. IF LET'S SAY IF IT WENT POORLY, WOULD WE. WE HAVE THAT RIGHT. YES. YEP YEP YEP. WELL THE DOGS ARE FIGHTING. YEAH, YEAH. MY MY DOG GOES DOWN THERE DON'T THEY. DON'T CLEAN UP. RIGHT. WELL THAT'S MY CONCERN. RIGHT. STEP IN ANYTHING WITH KIDS. YEAH. YEAH. YES OKAY. UPDATES THAT I HAVE JUST OBVIOUSLY WE'RE DOING THE CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS. WE JUST STARTED THOSE TODAY AND PUT ALL THE GARLAND UP. SOME OF THE GARLAND LIGHTS AREN'T WORKING JUST WITH THE NEW LIGHTING PROJECT. IT'S JUST FINDING KINKS STILL. SO WORKING ON THAT. THEY DID REMOVE THE SLAB AT THE SKATEBOARD PARK. SO EXCEL CAME IN AND THEY WERE DOING THEIR, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING WASN'T CONTAMINATED. THEY'RE DOING THEIR TEST. THEY WANTED THAT SLAB OUT. SO THEN THEY COULD TEST UNDERNEATH IT. IT ACTUALLY IS PROBABLY GOING TO HELP WITH THE GRADE. AND IT IT LOOKS GOOD UP THERE. SO WE ARE MEETING WITH SPAHN RANCH TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE CORRECT CHANGES AND STUFF. SO THAT SHOULD THEY WERE STILL SHOULD BE FIRST ON THE DOCKET FOR THEM NEXT YEAR. SO HOPING LIKE EARLY SPRING THEY CAN START AND THEN JUST PICKLEBALL UPDATE. WE WE DO HAVE THE COURTS UNTIL IT SNOWS. YOU KNOW ONCE THE SNOW STICKS WE'RE GOING TO GET THEM OUT OF THERE. THE NETS OUT. BUT WE DID TURN THE LIGHTS OFF BECAUSE THERE AREN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE PLAYING AT NIGHT OR WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANY, BUT WE DID TURN THEM OFF JUST SO THEY'RE NOT LIT UP ALL NIGHT FOR NO REASON. SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, DAYTIME PLAYING. SO. BUT LILY IS CLOSED BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE TREE CHRISTMAS TREES SALES. SO.

DID WE TALK ABOUT MIKE'S EVENT AND THE RIDE TO END ALL? DID I TALK ABOUT THAT? HOW THEY CAME TO TERMS AND WERE MOVING ONE BACK A LITTLE FARTHER. SO THEY'RE BOTH HAPPY. SO THEY, THEY THEY TALKED AND WORKED IT OUT. SO I KIND OF THOUGHT THAT'S WHY MAYBE HE WAS HERE.

BUT SO BOTH EVENTS ARE NOW GOING TO BE HAPPY. SO GOOD CONFLICT WE. SIX. SO OTHER THAN THAT ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE THINKING OR DOING OR WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE TUG OF WAR ANYMORE. TUG OF WAR IS NOT HAPPENING. WELL, IT IS, BUT IT'S HAPPENING IN HUDSON. THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO ALTERNATE YEARS RIGHT NOW, NOT JUST THEY DON'T WANT TO. I MEAN, THEY CALLED ME AND TALKED AND SAID, LIKE, THEY'RE NOT SET UP TO DO EVENTS AND THEY'RE NOT TO MAKE THE DECISION BETWEEN WHO SHOULD AND WHO SHOULDN'T. AND THEY'RE RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE AT. AND I KNEW THAT COMING. I TRIED WITH THE AFTER I TRIED TO GET THE TUG OF WAR BECAUSE WE DID THE DINNER AND THEY FOUGHT US ON THE DINNER, AND THE DINNER WORKED OUT GREAT. BUT THEN THEY TOLD YOU NO TO THE DINNER AFTER THAT FIRST YEAR. YEAH. SECOND YEAR YOU COULDN'T DO IT. YES. YEAH, YEAH, BUT I WASN'T INVOLVED BACK THEN. IT WASN'T ME.

SOMEBODY ELSE MAY HAVE CALLED ME. SO THEY JUST GIVE ME THEIR POINT OF VIEW AND EVERYTHING, AND IT'S LIKE, GREAT. THAT'S THEIR DECISION. IT'S NOT OURS. RIGHT. SO I MEAN, I'LL WE'LL

[02:05:03]

SO ANYONE OUT THERE WANT TO START A PRECEDENT SAFELY GONE AND WAS THERE. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HOST IT IN WISCONSIN. IT'S GOING TO GO OFF AND BE JUST FINE. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THE WHOLE EVENT. YEAH. NOT NOT JUST DOES NOT WANT TO HOST ANYTHING ON ON THE BRIDGE AT THIS POINT. YOU CAN HAVE THE TUG OF WAR, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT IN THE PLAZA AND YOU LOSE THE SYMBOLISM. SO WE WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE THAT. SO COULD WE SET UP AN AGREEMENT TO HOST OR LIKE SOME TYPE OF COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO PROGRAM ON THE BRIDGE AND THEN THAT WAY THE LIABILITY IS ALL TAKEN CARE OF AND ALL THAT OR NO, THEY WON'T LET US. THEY DON'T WANT US. YEAH. SO I DID. FIRST IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS WEEKEND, RIGHT. THE TUG OF WAR WAS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS WEEKEND, BUT THEN THEY COULDN'T GET THEIR STUFF READY, SO THEY WANTED TO MOVE IT TO THE THE NEXT GAME, WHICH WAS THE 4TH OF JANUARY. WELL, THEN I WAS TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM AND GET THEM TO MOVE. LET'S JUST DO IT ON THE PLAZA. RIGHT. LET'S. AND WE COULD THE ROPE WOULD GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STREET.

EVERYTHING. WELL, THE DECORATIONS ARE UP ONCE THEY MOVE THEIR EVENT. IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, WELL, YOU CAN'T DO IT ON PLAZA BECAUSE ALL THE DECORATIONS ARE THERE. SO I WAS TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAYBE GO DOWN BY SAM BLOOMER. YOU DO IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FLAGPOLE. WELL, FOR THEM, THE, THE THE LOCATION WAS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE CAUSE, SO. BUT THEY MIGHT THEY'RE GOING TO TURN IT INTO A GOOD EVENT AND MAYBE TRY TO KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH, WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, A BORDER THING, MINNESOTA VERSUS WISCONSIN. SO THEY THINK IT'LL HELP PROMOTE LONG TERM. BUT FOR THIS YEAR WE DON'T REMEMBER UPDATES I'VE GOT NOTHING. NOPE. NOPE YOU GOT IT I DON'T WANT TO LET THIS GO I'M SORRY. BECAUSE IT'S LIKE IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING PEOPLE DOWNTOWN. I JUST DON'T SEE LIKE YOU SUCCESSFULLY HAVE HOSTED EVENTS DOWN THERE BEFORE. LIKE, ANYWAYS, I'LL LET IT GO. I'M NOT THE PERSON TO TALK TO. GOOD LUCK, GOOD LUCK, GOOD LUCK. I TRIED, I THOUGHT, I TRIED. NO, I'M JUST SAYING. THEY SAID THEY OFFERED US TO BUY IT. THAT'S NOT ASK ME THAT DAY AND IT HAPPENS TO SAY MAINTAIN IT. YEAH. TWINKLE PARADE IS ON THE SIXTH. THE DECORATION, THE TREES COMING IN NEXT WEEK. RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THE TREE. WELL, CUT IT, CUT IT DOWN.

RIGHT NOW THE TREE IS 68FT HIGH. WE GOT TO CUT IT DOWN SOMEHOW TO EVEN GET IT DOWNTOWN. SO WE HAD TO HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT TO GET IT DOWNTOWN OFF THE HIGHWAYS. OKAY. IT'S LIKE 50FT WIDE TO BIG TREE. I USED THE APP AND I WAS LIKE, WOW, IT'S THE SAME FARM. NO. IT'S APPLE FARM THIS YEAR. OH, CHRIS. CHRIS DONATED IT. SO IT'S PART OF THE HOMETOWN FOR HOMETOWN FOR THE HOLIDAY CELEBRATION. SO IT SHOULD BE FUN. YEAH. SO BRING THE KIDS DOWN. SANTA CLAUS IS COMING. AND IT'S IT'S ALWAYS FUN. AND WE'RE DOING A FOOD DRIVE THE FIRST TWO WEEKS WITH FOR COMMUNITY THREAD WITH CUB FOODS AND COMMUNITY THREAD. AND THEN THE THIRD WEEK WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING SET UP FOR TEDDY BEARS, FOR THE KIDS THAT ARE FOR THE HOSPITAL. OKAY, NICE. SO. USE THE CART TO PUT GATHER ALL THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. AND THEN THE YOU'RE GOING TO BE IMPRESSED WITH THE APPLE HOUSE. THE NEW WINDOWS ARE IN. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE RIGHT NOW. PRETTY MUCH DONE. ALMOST. IT'S THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT WAS A GREAT STATEMENT ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER A COMMITTEE TO BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO YET. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A PLAQUE INSIDE THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE ARE WE GOING TO CALL THE HOUSE SOMETHING SPECIAL, OR ARE WE JUST SAYING FORMER HOUSE OR WHAT DO WE DO. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW YET. SO. SO THAT WAS A GREAT THAT WAS A GREAT I THINK WE'VE JUST BEEN WE'VE BEEN TRENDING THERE. YEAH. TRENDING. FOR MONTHS. YEAH. COOL. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN. IT'S A GOOD THAT'S A VERY GOOD PLAN. VERY GOOD. SO AND THAT WAS A GOOD MEETING. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF THOSE MASTER PLANNING THINGS. YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB ON THAT.

SO GREAT JOB. SHE TALKS TO ME A LOT. SO I WAS INTENTIONALLY QUIET TO LET YOU YOUR THOUGHTS ON THERE. IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? NOT TO RUSH IT OR ANYTHING? I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN BACK. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.