Jun 17, 2026 Heritage Preservation Commission

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

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OKAY, I'LL CALL TO ORDER THE JUNE 17TH, 2026 MEETING OF THE STILLWATER HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION. TONIGHT, I BELIEVE WE HAVE EVERYONE HERE FROM THE HOUSE LEFT END HERE. LARSON. AMDAHL. HOLMES, SUMMERS, COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE COLLINS AND

[III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

SO IT SAYS. SHE ADDED THAT SHE SUPPORTED BACKLIGHTING THE SIGN AND ASKED IF MURALS HAD THE SAME. BACKLIGHTING RESTRICTIONS AS SIGNS, AND THEN TO ADD, BECAUSE I RECALL HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT. YEAH. SO THEN PLANNING MANAGER GOOTNICK ANSWERED THAT MURALS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME LIGHTING RESTRICTIONS AS SIGNS. YEAH, YOU HELP ME FIND WHICH PARAGRAPH THAT IS. MY NOTES HERE. PAGE THREE, PAGE THREE, PARAGRAPH FOUR, WHERE IT SAYS COMMISSIONER FENNELL. SENTENCE THREE. OKAY, WHICH I HAVE, AS SHE ADDED A HINT THAT THAT A HINT OF ILLUMINATION WOULD LOOK GOOD ON THE SIGN INSTEAD OF DOWNLIGHTING, BUT IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE CITY CODE. RIGHT. OKAY. AND I MAY HAVE SAID THAT INITIALLY, BUT THEN WE DECIDED, WE DETERMINED THAT INDEED MURALS WERE NOT COVERED UNDER THE SAME LIGHTING CODE AS SIGNS.

SO FOR CLARIFICATION, I WOULD STRIKE THAT SENTENCE AND ADD TWO SENTENCES. SHE ADDED THAT SHE SUPPORTED BACKLIGHTING THE SIGN, AND ASKED IF MURALS HAD THE SAME BACKLIGHTING RESTRICTIONS AS SIGNS. PLANNING MANAGER GOOTNICK ANSWERED THAT MURALS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME LIGHTING RESTRICTIONS. STAFF IS THAT WE CAN WE CAN WORK WITH THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND ONE OTHER SMALL CORRECTION OR PROPOSED EDIT. THIS IS UNDER THE FYI SHODDY MILL. PAGE FIVE. PARAGRAPH THREE, SENTENCE TWO. AND I'M PROPOSING THAT IT STATE. SHE NOTED THAT OR WAIT NO. HERE'S WHAT IT STATES. SHE NOTED THAT THE COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO REVIEW THE SAME THING THAT THEY ALREADY PROVIDED COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK ON, AND EXPLAIN THAT THE COMMENTS STAND. I THINK I WOULD ADD EXPLAINED THAT THE COMMENTS SHOULD STAND.

IS ALL OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? I WAS GOING TO JUST ONE MORE CLARIFICATION IN THAT WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE. I THINK THAT SAME PARAGRAPH, THE LAST SENTENCE IT SAYS. COMMISSIONER HOLMES SUGGESTED FINDING A WAY WHERE THE BUILDING COULD BE UTILIZED INSTEAD OF BEING LOCKED UP. AND I THINK YOU WERE SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THAT SMALLER STONE BUILDING. AND SO I'D MAYBE JUST. THAT'S CORRECT. STONE BEFORE BUILDING, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE THAT I THINK WAS SLATED TO BE A STORAGE BUILDING IN THAT PLAN. AND THEN THERE'S A WORD MISSING TO ON PAGE FIVE, RIGHT BEFORE THE ADJOURNMENT, IT SAYS COMMISSIONER MENO. IT SHOULD HAVE NOTED OR SOMETHING IN THERE. COMMISSIONER MENO NOTED THAT NAPCS ANNUAL CONFERENCE IS IN MINNEAPOLIS. JUST A WORD MISSING. ALL RIGHT.

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THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY ON THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. THANK YOU. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE OPEN FORUM. THE OPEN FORUM ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON SUBJECTS WHICH ARE NOT PART OF THE MEETING AGENDA. THE COMMISSION MAY TAKE ACTION, REPLY OR GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF, AND WE ASK THAT PEOPLE PLEASE LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO FIVE MINUTES OR LESS. DOES ANYONE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE OPEN FORUM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE OPEN FORUM AND WE'LL MOVE ON DOWN THE AGENDA. THERE IS NOTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT. THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT. AND THERE'S NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS

[2. Case No. CD2026-029: Design Review approval for a Home Addition at 516 Harriet Street South – (Staff Reviewer: Jason Zimmerman, 651-430-8821, jzimmerman@stillwatermn.gov)]

DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL FOR HOME EDITION AT 516 HARRIET STREET SOUTH. AND SO AS NORMAL ON THESE CASES, WE'LL HEAR FROM STAFF. WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF. WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP. WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSION. SO WITH THAT I WOULD TURN IT OVER TO STAFF. THANK YOU, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, I WILL JUST NOTE, DUE TO STAFFING OF BEN GUTKNECHT IS STILL OUT UNTIL NEXT WEEK. ASSISTANT PLANNER HAS MOVED ON AND SO I I'M THE LUCKY EMPLOYEE TO COME AND TALK TO YOU TONIGHT. I AM NOT A HERITAGE PRESERVATION PLANNER BY TRADE, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST AND I WILL TAKE NO OFFENSE. IN FACT, I ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO KIND OF TAKE CHARGE ONCE I PRESENT AND RUN WITH ANY OF YOUR YOUR ANALYSIS, AND HOPEFULLY I'LL LEAD YOU THROUGH THAT IN BOTH CASES. TONIGHT WE DID HAVE OUR CONSULTANT PIGEON CONSULTING HELP PROVIDE THE ANALYSIS AS THE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD. SO WE'LL START WITH THE THE FIRST CASE, AS YOU MENTIONED. 516 HARRIET STREET SOUTH. THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR A ADDITION, A MAIN LEVEL BEDROOM, BATHROOM AND FAMILY ROOM ADDITION. WE'LL PUT IT UP HERE ON THE SCREEN. SO THIS IS A EXISTING HISTORIC ERA HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT. IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED IN 1901, AND THERE HAVE BEEN ADDITIONS TO THE REAR AND ALSO SOME ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ADDITIONS OVER TIME. IT'S A TWO STORY WOOD FRAME RESIDENCE. SOME OF THE FEATURES STEEPLY PITCHED ROOF FORMS, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS WITHOUT GRIDS, PAINTED WOOD TRIM, DECORATIVE GABLE DETAILING, AND COVERED PORCH ELEMENTS, WHICH ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT. THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A ONE STORY ADDITION. GENERALLY, TO THAT SOUTH ELEVATION WOULD HAVE A MASTER SUITE AND GREAT ROOM ON THE GROUND LEVEL, ABOUT 813FT■!. IT WOULD INCORPORATE THE SAME ROOF PITCHES, GABLE TREATMENTS, WALL PROPORTIONS, AND WINDOW PATTERNS TO COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING HOME AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE WOULD BE FIVE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS THAT WOULD BE COVERED KIND OF ON THAT THAT FACE, BUT THERE WOULD BE NEW WINDOWS THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO TO OFFSET THAT. WE HAD PIGEON CONSULTING GO THROUGH AND EVALUATE AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL HERE. GENERALLY, THE CONSULTANT FOUND THAT THE PROJECT MET THE SPIRIT OF THE RELEVANT PORTIONS OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES MANUAL. THERE WERE KIND OF SIX POINTS THAT THEY CALLED OUT, REFERRING TO SECTIONS WITHIN OUR DESIGN MANUAL. ONE IS JUST NOTING THE LOSS OF CLADDING AND WINDOWS ON THAT SOUTH ELEVATION. THEY DID NOTE THAT THIS INCLUDES A ROOF LINE WITH A PAIR OF STEEPLY PITCHED SIDE GABLES, NARROW LAPPED CLADDING AND SIMILAR WINDOW FRAME DETAILS TO THE EXISTING BUILDING. THEY NOTED IT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, BUT WOULD STILL BE EASILY IDENTIFIABLE AS A MODERN ADDITION. THEY NOTED THAT THIS PROPERTY IS A CORNER LOT, AND THE ADDITION WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM TWO STREETS, BOTH HARRIET AND WILLARD. BUT THEY DID NOTE THAT IT WOULD NOT DESTROY THE CHARACTER OF THE SITE. THEY DID NOTE THAT IT APPEARS TO PROPOSE COMPATIBLE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, INCLUDING THE NARROW CLADDING, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS, SIMILAR FRAME DETAILING TO THE EXISTING AND STEEPLY PITCHED SIDE GABLE ROOFS WITH BOXED EAVES, AND THEN JUST NOTED THE ROOF PROFILE. THE ADDITION RELATES TO THE PREDOMINANT SHAPE OF THE EXISTING ROOF, AND THE ONLY REALLY NOTE THEY HAD WAS THAT THE PROPOSED MATERIALS ARE NOT EXPLICITLY STATED IN THE APPLICATION, AND ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO VERIFY SOME OF THOSE DETAILS WITH THE APPLICANT. BUT GIVEN THE OVERALL ADHERENCE TO THE CITY'S ADOPTED DESIGN GUIDELINE, STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE DESIGN AND ADOPT RESOLUTION 2026-04

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I CAN DO THAT WHILE YOU'RE TALKING TO SEE IF THERE'S ONE IN THE FILE. YEAH I THOUGHT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OR I MIGHT, IT JUST MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE PACKET THAT I LOOKED AT, BUT JUST ESPECIALLY IN AN ADDITION OF AN EXISTING HOUSE TO SEE HOW THE FOOTPRINT EXPANDS ON THE SITE AND, YOU KNOW, DISTANCES FROM PROPERTY LINES AND SIDEWALKS AND STREETS IS, I THINK, A REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO HELP UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT. COMMISSIONER, I'M NOTING THAT THERE WAS NOT A SITE PLAN SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION. I KNOW THAT MISTER MENHENNITT REVIEWED THIS BEFORE HE DEPARTED, AND IT DID MEET ALL OF THE ZONING SETBACKS AND THE ZONING RELATED SITE DIMENSIONS. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. IS THAT FRONT WALL OF THE ADDITION, SORT OF FLUSH WITH THE FRONT WALL OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE? I BELIEVE THAT IT IS I HAVE THE WE DON'T HAVE THE CLICK SHARE WORKING TONIGHT TO BE ABLE TO PULL UP THE EXACT PACKET, BUT I HAVE THE PLANS HERE, SO LET ME FLIP THROUGH THAT FOR YOU. AND ALSO WHEN THE APPLICANTS HAVE A CHANCE TO COME UP, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT IN MORE DETAIL. YEAH. IT LOOKS FROM WHAT I AM SEEING THAT THAT IS FLUSH WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. IT WOULD BE ON THIS THIS ELEVATION. THIS IS FROM HARRIET. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IF NOT, I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD IF THEY WISH. WELCOME. YEAH. IT'S THE BUTTON ON THE LEFT. THANK YOU. THERE WE GO. SORRY. AND THEN IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE YOUR NAMES FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. YEAH. SO I'M NIKKI PELTO, I'M MIKE PELTO. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN GOES, I GUESS I THOUGHT THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEEDED WAS INCLUDED. I KNOW IT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE PERMIT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IMPACTS YOU GUYS AT ALL OR NOT, BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IT'S THERE. SO IF YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT AND YOU NEED IT, WE, WE HAVE IT AND WE CAN CERTAINLY GET IT TO YOU AS QUICKLY AS YOU NEED IT. AND THEN YES, JUST CONFIRMING THAT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS DEFINITELY FLUSH. SO THE ADDITION AND THE EXISTING HOME ARE FLUSH WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS. WE LOVE STILLWATER. WE LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE LOVE OUR LOT AND WE LOVE THE HOUSE, BUT WE'RE GETTING OLDER AND BEING A YOU KNOW, IT WAS BUILT IN 1901, VERY STEEP STAIRS UP TO OUR BEDROOM. SO WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO STAY THERE. AND WE REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A MASTER ON THE MAIN. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE, THE BIGGEST DRIVING FACTOR FOR DOING THIS. AND THEN WE DO HAVE TWO KIND OF SMALLER LIVING AREAS RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ENCLOSED. AND WE REALLY WANTED TO PUT A GREAT ROOM ON SO THAT WE COULD DO LIKE BIG FAMILY GATHERINGS, LIKE CHRISTMAS GIFT OPENING KIND OF THING. IT GETS REALLY CROWDED IN THERE. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE MAIN, MAIN THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE HOUSE. LIKE I SAID, WE LOVE IT THERE AND WE REALLY WE WANT TO STAY. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ABOUT THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHAIR, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ANY SIGNIFICANT TREES WOULD BE REMOVED WITH THE ADDITION, JUST THE THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING THAT WE PUT IN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. OKAY. SO LIKE THE BIG ONE THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE FRONT, RIGHT? THAT WON'T BE TOUCHED AT ALL. THERE'S ONE THAT WE PUT IN, IT'S A SMALLER ONE ON THE CORNER THAT WE'RE HOPING TO SAVE. IF NOT, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE LOVE LANDSCAPING AND WE WILL BE PUTTING LOVELY THINGS BACK ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH IT. SO THANKS FOR CLARIFYING. IT IS ONE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS TOO, THAT WE KIND OF LOOK AT THE SIGNIFICANT TREES AND ANY KIND OF REMOVAL, BUT GLAD TO HEAR NO BIG TREES ARE BEING REMOVED. THANK YOU.

IT IS A WALNUT TREE, SO I'LL BE HONEST, IT'S KIND OF A NO. I'M KIDDING. YEAH, THERE'S ONE ON

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OKAY. THINKING OF LIKE A SITE PLAN, SO IT'LL BE SHORTER THAN THAT. BUT YEAH, IT WILL REALLY ALMOST KIND OF LOOK LIKE WE'RE GOING LIKE THIS AND YOU KNOW, THE SIDING WILL ALL MATCH WHAT'S THERE NOW. SO YEAH, REALLY TRYING TO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING FROM THE EXTERIOR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN JUST A SECOND QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOWS. SO SOME OF THESE WINDOWS WILL BE COMING OUT BECAUSE OF THE ADDITION CORRECT. CORRECT. AND ARE THEY DO YOU KNOW IF THEIR ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND IS THERE ANY PLAN TO REUSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT ORIGINAL WINDOWS. AND YES, WE WANT TO REUSE THEM IF WE CAN. SO THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM OUT CAREFULLY AND TRY TO SAVE THEM IF WE CAN'T SAVE THEM. OKAY. SO YEAH. SO YEAH, THOSE ARE ALL, I MEAN, THE, THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, OBVIOUSLY SMALLER THAN THE BATHROOM RIGHT NOW. AND ACTUALLY WHAT'S NOT ON HERE? WELL, YEAH, IT'S A WINDOW UP ABOVE, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THE FIVE MAIN WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SIDE AND THEN THE WINDOWS THAT WILL BE PUT ONTO THE FRONT WILL BE THE SAME AS THE ONES THAT WE'RE TAKING OUT. SO. SAVE MONEY. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD REASON THEY'RE ANDERSON WINDOWS ARE GOOD WINDOWS, SO WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THEM IF WE CAN. FOR FOR CONTEXT, LET ME ADD THAT I LIVED AROUND TWO BLOCKS AWAY UNTIL ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO. OKAY. FOR 16 YEARS. AND THE, THE RENOVATION THAT HAPPENED WAS PERHAPS 10 OR 12 YEARS AGO AND ADDED THE GARAGE, THE BREEZEWAY AND THE ADDITION, AND THEN REPAINTED THE WHOLE HOUSE AND UPGRADED THE PROPERTY. AT THAT TIME. IT WAS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT AT THAT POINT. YEAH, YEAH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE NEIGHBORS, I GUESS, BUT WE WEREN'T QUITE SURE WHAT THE EXACT TIMING WAS BECAUSE THEY'VE ALL LIVED THERE A LONG TIME. HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT HE KNOWS EVERYTHING GOOD. ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? OKAY. THANK YOU.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE HAVE MORE. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO WE'VE HEARD FROM STAFF, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANTS. AND NOW IS THE TIME TO DISCUSS AMONG THE COMMISSION, THERE IS. FOR POTENTIAL APPROVAL FOR REFERENCE, AS USUAL, THERE IS A DRAFT RESOLUTION IN THE PACKET WHICH IT'S 2024-0 OR SORRY 22026-04. SO WITH THAT I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. WELL, I'LL BEGIN AND JUST TO SAY IT IS NICE TO SEE SUBMISSION OF A MAJOR ADDITION TO A HISTORIC HOME. SOMETIMES ADDITIONS LIKE THIS HAPPEN WITHOUT OUR GETTING THE CHANCE TO COMMENT ON THEM AND HOPEFULLY ENHANCE THE OUTCOME. AND IT'S, IT'S VERY WELCOME TO SEE THIS SUBMISSION. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. SECONDLY, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THE VERSION OF THE ELEVATIONS WE'RE SEEING IS THE VERSION THAT'S BEEN SHOWN ON THE SCREEN TONIGHT. THERE WERE TWO VERSIONS IN THE PACKET WITH SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WINDOW ORIENTATIONS AND COUNTS. SO IT'S THIS VERSION AND OF THE AND THEN OF THE HARRIET SIDE ELEVATION. IT'S A SIDE. IT'S A VERSION THAT HAS DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS IN THE IN THE MASTER BEDROOM EDITION. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. WE ORIGINALLY HAD GRANDSONS OF THE MASTER TO TRY TO MATCH IT. THAT WAS CHANGED. SO THIS IS THE GREAT GOOD. GLAD TO HEAR THAT. AND THEN FINALLY, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE EIGHT, 12 AND 1212 ROOF PITCHES ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE

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COULD YOU PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE THAT WE THAT WE HEAR YOU ON MY APOLOGIZE JUST FOR A MINUTE. YEAH. SORRY. I'M NOT USED TO BEING IN THESE KINDS OF MEETINGS. I DON'T KNOW THE RULES. I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I DON'T KNOW 100% WHY IT'S THE 812, BUT I KNOW IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ROOF CONFIGURATION AND WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO. SO I KNOW THEY WERE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY MATCHED THE ONE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. I PROBABLY WITH THE GARAGE, I GUESS I HONESTLY AM NOT 100% SURE ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I, I THINK IT'S IT CAUGHT ME BY SURPRISE AT FIRST. AND THEN I RECALLED THAT THE GARAGE IS ABOUT THAT SAME 812 PITCH. AND IT MADE MORE SENSE TO ME THAT THAT THERE'S A RHYTHM THERE. YEP, YEP. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN. I GUESS MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT IS THAT I WOULD, I WOULD FEEL SLIGHTLY MORE COMFORTABLE IF THE FACE OF THE ADDITION WAS BACK FROM THE FACE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING ON HARRIET STREET, A FOOT TWO FEET, SOMETHING THAT MAINTAINED THE SYMMETRY AND INTEGRITY OF THAT ELEVATION BECAUSE IT IS SO SYMMETRICAL AND IT'S EXISTING THAT IT FEELS A LITTLE ODD TO ADD IN THE SAME PLANE. I UNDERSTAND IN PLAN WHY IT'S HAPPENING, BUT IT'S A LITTLE HARDER TO SUPPORT BECAUSE OF THAT. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. SO WOULD YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW FAR IT SHOULD BE SET BACK? A COUPLE FEET OR. YEAH, I WOULD I WOULD SAY AT LEAST A FOOT JUST JUST TO GIVE SOME RELIEF THERE TO, TO INDICATE THAT THIS IS AN ADDITION AND NOT PART OF THE PRIMARY INITIAL BUILDING. OTHER IF WE COULD GET THE EAST. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EAST ELEVATION. IF YOU COULD IF WE COULD GET THE EAST ELEVATION UP, WE COULD KIND OF MAYBE BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A VERSION THAT SHOWS WHERE THE ADDITIONAL BE. AND THEN I THINK THERE'S A VERSION THAT SHOWS THE ADDITION. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE IT FROM THIS COMPUTER, BUT I CAN JUMP TO THAT COMPUTER IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO PULL IT UP AND WE CAN SEE IT THERE. OKAY, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY. I JUST THOUGHT IT'D BE HELPFUL. WHAT I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER HOLMES IS TALKING ABOUT IS THE DASHED PART BEING SET BACK FROM THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, SYMMETRICAL FACADE, WHICH I THINK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE IN AT LEAST THE VERSION I HAVE THAT SHOWS SOME SIDING ON IT THERE. THERE ISN'T EVEN LIKE A TRIM BOARD SEPARATING THEM. SO I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT'S A AT LEAST ONE WAY OF DOING IT. BUT I AGREE THAT IF, IF WITH THE IDEA OF, OF KEEPING THE ORIGINAL FORM SORT OF INTELLIGIBLE FROM THE AND DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE ADDITION, THAT WOULD BE A WELCOME. MODIFICATION. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT AS WELL. THAT ELEVATION WAS SHEET TEN OF TEN IN OUR PACKET. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO BRING THAT UP.

PAGE TEN YOU SAID.

WOULD BE THE LAST LAST SHEET IN THE SUBMISSION.

THERE WE ARE. THANK YOU.

YEAH, I GUESS I BELIEVE THIS ELEVATION WOULD BE ENHANCED AT LEAST BY THE ADDITION OF A OF A CORNER BOARD IN ORDER TO, TO MAINTAIN THE SYMMETRY OF THE THE PRIMARY BUILDING. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO SPEAK TO THAT IF, IF IT WERE

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BUT WHEN YOU SAY A CORNER BOARD. I'M SORRY. WHAT IS WHAT DO YOU MEAN EXACTLY BY THAT? SO AT THE AT THE OUTSIDE CORNERS OF THE BUILDING, THE SIDING ABUTS A CORNER BOARD. RIGHT. AND IF WE COULD MAINTAIN THAT CORNER BOARD AT THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THE ADDITION, IT WOULD AT LEAST SIGNAL THAT THERE'S AN ADDITION THERE THAT WAS ADDED AFTERWARDS, RATHER THAN BEING A CONTINUING FLOW ACROSS THAT SAME PLANE. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE SAYING YOU'D STILL SET IT BACK A FOOT AND THEN HAVE. NO, IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE TO SET IT BACK A FOOT, BUT BUT EVEN IF IT IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO DO THAT, AT LEAST TO GET A CORNER BOARD IN. OH, I'D BE COMPLETELY FINE WITH THAT. THIS MIGHT BE CRAZY. I'M JUST GOING TO THROW IT OUT THERE THOUGH. SO RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE BOARD AND BATTEN ON OUR GARAGE. AND THEN THERE'S BOARD AND BATTEN ON THE THE NEW ADDITION THAT CAME ON AND THE BACK ENTRY. SO WE'D BE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD LOOK. I GUESS I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT, BUT WE'D BE OPEN TO DOING BOARD AND BATTEN AS OPPOSED TO LAP SIDING, IF YOU LIKE THAT. BETTER TO JUST, YOU KNOW, NOTIFY OR TO INDICATE THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT OR IT'S AN ADDITION, I GUESS, TO THE TO THE OTHER HOUSE. I THINK THE, THE PURPOSE REALLY IS TO TRY AND DELINEATE THE, THE MAIN OLDER PART OF THE HOUSE SO THAT IT LOOKS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT. YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BOARD AND BATTEN ON THE ADDITION PORTION. SO IT'D BE LAP SIDING ON THE EXISTING. AND THEN BOARD AND BATTEN ON THE ADDITION. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT WOULD LOOK FUNNY. I'M SORRY. I'M JUST KIND OF THROWING THAT OUT THERE AS A THOUGHT. NO, I'M SURE THERE ARE PROBABLY DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT, I THINK. I MEAN, IDEALLY, I THINK IF IT COULD BE SET BACK SLIGHTLY, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. BUT COMMISSIONER HOLMES SUGGESTION ABOUT THE THE BOARD.

YEP. IS IS, YOU KNOW, A FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE. I DO LIKE THE IDEA, HONESTLY OF THE SUPPER. I THINK THAT WOULD LOOK NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE. I DON'T LOVE THE SETBACK, BUT IF YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO DO IT, WE HAVE TO DO IT. BUT YEAH, WE WOULD PREFER TO, TO MAINTAIN THE SPACE IN THE ROOM IF WE CAN. BUT I DEFINITELY DO LIKE THE SOMETHING THERE TO SEPARATE IT.

IT'S A GOOD IDEA. THANK YOU. OTHER OTHER COMMENTS THAT SEEMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING HERE FOR SOME SORT OF. SOME SORT OF CHANGE TO DELINEATE THE, THE SYMMETRICAL ORIGINAL STRUCTURE FROM THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND NOT KNOWING, I GUESS UP HERE AT THE TABLE WHAT'S POSSIBLE. IT MAY BE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH STAFF AND THEN BRING US REVISED PLANS, INCLUDING A SITE PLAN TO LOOK AT IT. DOES THAT SEEM TO BE THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE HEADING? IF THAT IS POSSIBLE? I GUESS I WOULD ASK STAFF TO COMMENT ON THE TIMELINE FOR THIS PROPOSAL. YEAH, THE COMMISSIONERS ARE THE 60 DAY DEADLINE IS JULY 11TH, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT A WEEK PRIOR TO THE NEXT HPC MEETING. WE OBVIOUSLY COULD EXTEND THAT THE ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS IF NECESSARY. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE THE 60 DAYS THAT THE CITY CAN CORRECT.

I MEAN, I WOULD BE FINE WITH JUST ADDING IT AS A CONDITION TO VISUALLY DISTINGUISH THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WITH THE NEW ADDITION, RATHER THAN MAKE THEM COME BACK FOR JUST A TRIM BOARD OR A FOOT. YEAH, TO ME THAT'S AN AWFULLY BIG CONDITION. DENOTES A NEW PLANS. I ACTUALLY THINK THAT IT COULD BE A FAIRLY SIMPLE CHANGE. IT WOULD TAKE SOME SPACE OUT OF THE MASTER BEDROOM, BUT BUT IF THAT MASTER BEDROOM COMMISSION DIMENSION WERE RATHER THAN 16, FOUR BY 18, IF IT WERE 18 BY 15, SO YOU WOULD TAKE ONE FOOT FOUR OUT OF THE MASTER BEDROOM, THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT WALL TO BE PULLED BACK, THAT ONE FOOT FORWARD. AND FRANKLY, I THINK IT ENHANCES THE OUTCOME IN YOUR FAVOR. IF THAT'S A SPACE REDUCTION YOU CAN LIVE WITH.

BUT I THINK IT'S THERE'S A THERE'S A TRADE OFF THERE. AND I THINK IN TERMS OF EXTERIOR

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THAT'S OKAY. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WOULD IF YOU GUYS MIND. EITHER WAY, IF WE WERE TO DO BOARD AND BATTEN ON THE ADDITION SO WE COULD DO BOARD AND BATTEN ON THE ENTIRE ADDITION, THAT WOULD MATCH WHAT'S ON THE GARAGE AND WHAT WAS ON THE CURRENTLY ON PART OF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. MY, MY PERSONAL OPINION WOULD BE THAT THAT WOULD BE A STRONGER DELINEATION BETWEEN THE EXISTING AND THE NEW THAN IS NECESSARY. I THINK JUST HAVING THE SETBACK AND THE DIFFERENT FORM FOR THE FOR THE NEW WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. THAT IN MY OPINION, OKAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHERS DO, BUT I THINK THAT'S YOUR CALL. SO WE COULD DO. YOU WOULDN'T MIND IF WE DID BOARD AND BATTEN EITHER. THAT WOULD BE MY VIEW. I WOULD NOT BE. SUGGESTING WE PASS THIS WITH. WITH THE CONDITION THAT THAT BE BOARD AND BATTEN.

GOTCHA. OKAY. I GUESS COMMISSIONER, MY COMMENT ON THAT ALSO WOULD BE IF THIS WERE A CONTINUOUS FLUSH WALL, AS YOU HAVE IT NOW, AND YOU CHANGE THOSE MATERIALS, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY SUCCESSFUL IF YOU IT WOULD BE SORT OF A CHANGE IN WALLPAPER KIND OF RIGHT ALONG THE FLUSH. BUT IF THE MATERIAL, IF THE, YOU KNOW, PLANES WERE SET BACK FROM EACH OTHER, THEN I'D BE OPEN TO EITHER WAY. BUT WHEN THEY'RE SO CLOSE LIKE THIS, TO ME, IT MAKES MAYBE MORE SENSE BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST JUST NOT TO DRAW TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO ITSELF AS AN ADDITION, BUT JUST ENOUGH, YOU KNOW? YEP. AND KEEP THE HORIZONTAL SIDING. THAT'S THAT'S MY OPINION. OKAY. MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. STAFF. IF WE HAD STAFF REVIEW OF OF SETBACK AND THEN A CHANGE IN IN POTENTIALLY SIDING, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE COMFORTABLE REVIEWING AT THE STAFF LEVEL? ABSOLUTELY. I MENTIONED WE HAD REVIEWED THE SITE PLAN AND IT WAS CONFORMING TO ALL THE ZONING STANDARDS. AND IF WE HAD THE DIRECTION TO HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE FOOT, FOUR INCH BUMP BACK OF THE NEW ADDITION, WE CAN CERTAINLY ENSURE THAT THAT WOULD BE PUT ON THE NEW PLANS, REVISED PLANS. FOR SAKE OF DISCUSSION, MAYBE I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE RESOLUTION IN THE PACKET NUMBER 2026-04. WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN THE PACKET AND TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS. ONE IS THAT THE NEW ADDITION BE SET BACK FROM THE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE BY AT LEAST ONE FOOT, AND STAFF TO REVIEW THAT CHANGE BEFORE PERMITS ARE ISSUED. AND SECONDLY, THAT BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING ON THE ADDITION WOULD BE PERMITTED IF THE APPLICANT DESIRES TO GO WITH THAT.

INSTEAD OF LAP SIDING. PUTTING THAT OUT THERE TO SEE IF THERE'S A SUPPORT FOR A SECOND.

THAT APPROACH, I WOULD SECOND THAT. MOTION BY TWOS AND SECOND BY MINO. FURTHER DISCUSSION. I WAS JUST CONCERNED THAT THE APPLICANT SAID THEY COULDN'T DO THAT. THE ADDITIONAL FOOT. IT WAS IT THAT YOU COULDN'T DO A FOOT OR THAT YOU NEEDED TO LOOK INTO IT. IS THAT WE PREFER NOT TO DO THE FOOT JUST TO KEEP THE SPACE IN THE ROOM, BUT WE WE COULD DO IT, I THINK. I MEAN, ASSUMING IT DOESN'T IMPACT ANY OF THE OTHER CONSTRUCTIONAL TYPE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT USING I'M SORRY, I'M NOT A I'M NOT A CONSTRUCTION WORKER. BUT YEAH. I DO APPRECIATE HOW THAT I CAN

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OTHER THOUGHTS? OTHER DISCUSSION. IF NOT, THEN I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THAT MOTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY TO GRANT DESIGN APPROVAL WITH THE THE RESOLUTION IN THE PACKET AND TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU FOR FOR EVERYTHING AND FOR DOING THIS

[3. Case No. CD2026-028: Design Review approval for new openings at 201 Main Street South – (Staff Reviewer: Jason Zimmerman, 651-430-8821, jzimmerman@stillwatermn.gov)]

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THERE'S A MAIN STREET WINDOW SIGN, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT THERE ON THE FRONT DOOR AND THE FRONT AREA. THOSE ARE ALSO PERMITTED AS LONG AS THEY DON'T COVER MORE THAN ONE THIRD OF THE TOTAL AREA OF THE WINDOW. ON WATER STREET, YOU SEE THE THE NEW SIGNAGE THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AWNING, BUT THAT IS FLUSH WITH THE FACE. WE WOULD CALL THAT A WALL SIGN, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY CODE. AND THEN FINALLY GOING BACK TO THE SORRY, THE THE THE GRAPHIC ON CHESTNUT PLAZA CODE DOES DEFINE A GRAPHIC DESIGN SIGN AS BEING NONCOMMERCIAL. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A GRAPHIC DESIGN SIGN. SO THIS WOULD NOT QUALIFY AS A GRAPHIC DESIGN SIGN, AND THEREFORE DOESN'T COME UNDER THE SAME SCRUTINY. IN OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES, WE WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS JUST A WALL SIGN BECAUSE IT IS A COMMERCIAL LOGO FOR THE BUSINESS. THE ZONING REGULATIONS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ALLOW FOR TWO SIGNS. USUALLY IT'S ONE WALL SIGN AND THEN EITHER A THREE DIMENSIONAL OR PROJECTING SIGN. IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE TWO WALL SIGNS, ONE ON EACH FACE. STAFF DOES NOTE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER CASES IN THE DOWNTOWN WHERE WE HAVE ALLOWED TWO WALL SIGNS BECAUSE THEY'RE ON DIFFERENT FACES. THE BRICK AND LINEN BUILDING IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE HAVE WALL SIGNS ACTUALLY ON ALL THREE FACES. SO THAT IS NOT INCONSISTENT WITH HOW WE'VE TREATED OTHER SIGN PACKAGES IN THE DOWNTOWN.

OVERALL, GIVEN GIVEN PIGEONS EVALUATION STAFF BELIEVES THAT THIS GENERALLY MEETS THE THE STANDARDS IN OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES AND WITH SOME CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED TO KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THE THE WAY THAT THE EITHER THE AWNINGS OR THE WINDOWS OR OTHER THINGS ARE MOUNTED. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THROUGH THE RESOLUTION 2026-05, AND APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. AND STAFF IS AT THIS POINT AS WELL. THANK YOU. ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NOTHING. I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT. REPRESENTATIVE, COME TO THE MICROPHONE. GOOD EVENING. I'D LIKE TO. FRANCE. CAN YOU HIT THAT BUTTON ON THE LEFT OF THE BASE OF THE STAND THERE WILL TURN ON THE. THANK YOU. I MIGHT CRAFT MY CRAFT ARCHITECTS. WITH ME TONIGHT IS RICK FERRARO, SPECTRUM SIGNS SYSTEMS, WHO WILL BE HERE TO ADDRESS HELP

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THAT'S RIGHT. AND IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF IT. WE WANTED TO CREATE IT IN A SPACE THAT WAS FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE, NOT IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM, FOR INSTANCE. AND SO IT IS A RELATIVELY SMALL AREA. BUT IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE ENJOYING THE WINDOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT FOR DEEP ANYWAYS. SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOUR COMMENT ABOUT IT NOT BEING FULLY REALIZED INSIDE AS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A GATHERING SPACE, I THINK IS TRUE. BUT I THINK THAT THE EXPERIENCE OF JUST STEPPING OVER AND JUST TAKING A BREATH AND LOOKING OUT AT WHAT'S HAPPENING OUTSIDE, IF YOU'RE ONE OR 2 OR 3 INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES, I THINK THAT HAS HUGE VALUE STILL. OKAY. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. YEAH. I'LL JUST AS LONG AS WE'RE ON THAT PARTICULAR SUBJECT, A FEW COMMENTS. I, I AGREE THAT IT'S SORT OF A BALANCE. IT'S THESE KIND OF NANO WALLS OR FOLDING WALLS. OR HAVE LIMITED USE, WE'LL SAY IN

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BUT IT WAS THE PRECISELY THE, THE, THE DILEMMA THAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING IS WHAT WE WENT THROUGH AT THAT POINT WHERE WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT. WELL, DO YOU HAVE TWO SIDES? DO YOU HAVE TWO AWNINGS ON THE MAIN STREET SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT DON'T MATCH THE ONES ON THE NORTH? OR DO YOU WRAP THIS MOVE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING? SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT WE FLIPPED A COIN, BUT YOU LOOK AT EACH ONE AND THEY HAVE MERITS AND THEY HAVE DISADVANTAGES. WELL, IN THIS CASE WE SAID PROBABLY CLEANER TO WRAP IT AROUND THE BUILDING.

BUT YOUR POINT IS REAL THAT THE ONLY REASON THE AWNINGS ON THE NORTH FACE ARE TOUCHED IS BECAUSE WE TOUCHED THE ONES ON THE WEST FACE. AND IF AND CERTAINLY AN EQUAL ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE SAYING YOU NEED TO DO THE ONES ON THE WEST, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THE ONES ON THE NORTH. SO DON'T. I MEAN, I THINK THAT THEY'RE BOTH LOGICAL ARGUMENTS. WE JUST WE, WE JUST PICKED A INSTEAD OF B OR B INSTEAD OF A. SO MY POINT IS WE DO HAVE FLEXIBILITY ON THAT.

YEAH. AND AND TO THAT, I THINK, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, LEAVING THE ONES ON THE NORTH MORE INTACT, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS GOING TO BE FAIRLY COMPLEX, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE DOING EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS AND, AND EXPENSIVE. IT WOULD JUST KEEP THINGS A LITTLE CALMER AND LESS.

I DON'T KNOW, LIKE WE'RE SAYING, WE'RE, WE'RE LAYERING ON THESE NEW THINGS, NEW THINGS, NEW THINGS UNTIL THE, THE BUILDING STARTS TO BE BURDENED BY THAT. I THINK, AND PERSONALLY, I THINK A SOLUTION ON THE WEST ONLY WOULD MAKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SENSE. AND LEAVING THE REST WITH THOSE COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S ABOVE, I THINK MAKES MORE SENSE FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW. WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT TO BE A POSITIVE SUGGESTION. OPEN TO THAT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME JUST PULL BACK FROM THIS. I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE SPOKEN UP ON SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED TO THE BUILDING, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT THIS IS NOT A PRE 1946 BUILDING. THIS IS MID-CENTURY MODERN 1960S, BUT IT STILL HAS INTEGRITY AS THAT TYPE OF BUILDING AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING SUGGESTED FOR THE BUILDING, I THINK, ARE. DETRIMENTAL TO THAT INTEGRITY OF THE 1960S BUILDING, WHICH I STILL THINK THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER AS AN HPC THAT'S 61 YEARS OLD. SO IT'S DEFINITELY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, AND I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ON SOME OF THESE CHANGES, ESPECIALLY THE NORTH AND EAST SIDES. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE SUGGESTIONS ON THEM. CORRUGATED METAL. I

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WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS. AND, AND I THINK OUR INITIAL, OUR OUR ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS, WAS TO RUN GLASS IN THAT AREA. SO THE IDEA ON THAT EAST FACADE IS TO MATCH THAT HEAD HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS THAT THAT IS CONSISTENT AROUND THE BUILDING. AND OUR FIRST THOUGHT WAS RUN GLASS UP.

MY POINT IS, I THINK THAT FLEXIBILITY AND WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS, WE CHOSE CORRUGATED METAL BECAUSE WE SAW IT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAID, OKAY, THIS IS A MODERN INFILL.

WE'VE SEEN CORRUGATED METAL FOR OTHER MODERN INFILLS. FOR OUR PURPOSES, I THINK THAT THE CONCEPT WOULD BE EQUALLY EFFECTIVE IN OTHER MATERIALS. SO I WOULD ALSO CONSIDER I WOULD I WOULD NOT CONSIDER THAT TO BE A A CHALLENGE FOR US. I THINK THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'D SAY, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH STAFF OR WHATEVER TO FIGURE OUT AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL WITH THAT TOTALLY OPEN TO THAT. I CAN'T I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT HAS MERIT. AND, AND I MIGHT AT RISK OF PILING ON THE VIEW WE HAVE HERE. JUST TO REITERATE WHAT I THINK I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT NEW FENESTRATION ON THE BACK WALL. IT SITS IN A STAIRWELL ROUGHLY.

IT'S LESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE STAIR FLIGHT AWAY FROM THE DOOR DIRECTLY BELOW IT. AND IT IS NOT IN KEEPING IN ANY WAY WITH THE OTHER FORMS ON THAT FACE OF THE BUILDING. AND TO THE POINT THAT I THINK WAS MADE AT THE OTHER END OF THIS DAIS, WE MIGHT GET 12 DAYS A YEAR WHERE YOU GET TO HAVE IT OPEN. IT'S MINNESOTA, AND SO THAT'S THE ONE THAT STANDS OUT TO ME AS MUCH MORE OUT OF PLACE IN THE CHARACTER OF THIS BUILDING. IN THE OTHER FENESTRATION ON THAT FACE, THE ONE YOU SHOW ON THE NORTH WALL, WHILE ADMITTEDLY WIDER THAN THE OTHER WINDOWS, IS AT LEAST PROPORTIONALLY IN HEIGHT AND SPACE. THERE IS NO ANALOG ON THAT EAST WALL THAT HAS THAT MAKE SENSE. AND THEN, GIVEN WHERE IT'S PLACED IN THE BUILDING, IT STARTS TO FEEL, AT LEAST TO ME, LIKE WE COULD. SO WE DID. AS OPPOSED TO WE NEEDED TO. I WOULD HAVE TO SUGGEST THAT THERE ISN'T ANY COMPONENT OF THIS THAT WE NEED TO DO. I MEAN, WE ARE PROPOSING SPENDING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO CREATE WINDOWS WHERE WE DO NOT NEED THEM, SIMPLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF CREATING A BACKDROP FOR WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE A HIGHLY ACTIVE AND VALUABLE PLAZA. NONE OF THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN. IT IS ALL ABOUT CREATING ENERGY, AND WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST WOULD BE IMPROVING BOTH THE EXPERIENCE TO THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE BUILDING AND THE EXPERIENCE OF THE PEOPLE AROUND THE BUILDING. SO. YOUR COMMENT IS CORRECT.

NONE OF THIS IS ESSENTIAL. WE SIMPLY LOOKED AT THIS AND IT'S MORE THAN A STAIRWELL BECAUSE THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SPACE. THERE'S ADDITIONAL SPACE ON THAT HALF LEVEL. SURE. IT'S GATHERING SPACE ON THAT HALF LEVEL. WE SIMPLY THINK THAT FROM A BUILDING OWNER'S EXPERIENCE AND OCCUPANTS EXPERIENCE, THAT BEING ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH THE VIEW OF THE RIVER. I MEAN, TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THIS BUILDING IS THAT IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO OVERLOOK THE RIVER, EXCEPT THAT IT'S NOT REALIZED SO ESSENTIAL.

ABSOLUTELY NOT. I MEAN IT THE THE BANK WOULD FUNCTION AT LEAST AS WELL, SAVING ALL OF THIS MONEY AND NOT DOING ANYTHING. BUT WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE A LITTLE BIT QUIRKY, BUT WE ALSO THINK THAT IF WE ADD SOME THINGS, THE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH FACE THAT MAKE THE CITY'S PUBLIC PLAZA A BETTER PLACE TO BE, THAT WE THINK IT COMES OUT AS A NET GAIN. YOU KNOW, BURYING THOSE CONDUITS ON THE WEST WALL. WE THINK THAT'S A GOOD WE THINK WE THINK NOBODY WILL DISAGREE WITH THAT. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THINGS. ARE YOU OPEN TO LETTING US DO SOMETHING THAT ALSO BENEFITS THE BANK? AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THESE OPENINGS. AND SO I WOULD I WOULD CONCUR THAT IT IS ABSOLUTELY A VALUE TO THE BUILDING OCCUPANTS TO HAVE A

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SO WE MAY GET INTO IT A LITTLE MORE THEN. I THINK THIS IS REALLY VALUABLE DISCUSSION. I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. I THINK THE CHANGES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH THAT I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING THEM JUST HANDLED AT A STAFF LEVEL OR WITH SOME SUBCAUCUS. I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE YOU COME BACK AND AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT BUILDING AND THERE'S NO MORE IMPORTANT WATER STREET ELEVATION THAN THIS ONE, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WALKING ACROSS A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE IS CONFRONTED BY IT COMING BACK. WE WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT. WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU TO GET IT AS RIGHT AS IT CAN BE. AND THIS IS OUR FIRST SHOT AT IT. SO IT FEELS LIKE SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO SEE AGAIN. IN MY OPINION, I WOULD SECOND THAT AS WELL. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF OR DO YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS FOR US BEFORE WE TURN TO OUR DISCUSSION PORTION? SORRY.

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, I SHOULD SAY. DID YOU WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIGNAGE AT ALL, OR IS THAT SEPARATE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE SIGNAGE ASPECT? IF I MEAN, I'M, I THINK THE THE WAY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED IS FAIR. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME REGARDING THE SIGNAGE, OKAY. OR FOR RICK, YOU'RE HAPPY.

SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU SAID SOMETHING IN YOUR EARLIER YOU REFERRED TO. WE WOULD TALK ABOUT SIGNAGE LATER, BUT ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE SIGNAGE? OKAY, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'VE HEARD FROM STAFF AND THE APPLICANT AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME SOME OPTIONS. AND I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSION. AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION FOR US TO CONSIDER, YOU CAN DO THAT AS WELL. MR. CHAIR, JUST ON THE SIGNAGE, THE WALL PLATE, I WAS JUST BRIEFLY GOING INTO THE CODE IS DOES THAT FOR STAFF MEET THE SIZE OF A WALL PLATE? IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIG. JUST TO CONFIRM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE TO THE LEFT RIGHT BY THE FRONT ENTRANCE. I THINK THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE SIGN THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY, WHICH WOULD BE REMOVED. THE SIGN TO THE LEFT IS THE ONE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED RIGHT BY THE FRONT DOOR. JUST WANT JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. THE BLACK THE LITTLE BLACK SIGN BY THE DOOR IS THE NAMEPLATE PROPOSED. THIS ONE OVER HERE IS JUST UP THERE NOW SAYING FIRST RESOURCE BANK COMING. THAT WILL GO AWAY. OKAY. THAT WILL GO AWAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. AND THEN ON THE SIGN TOWARDS CHESTNUT SLASH COULD BE MURAL IS STAFF SAYING THAT THAT IS NOT ALLOWED. IF IT IS IF IT IS CONSIDERED A

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IT'S A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S A MIN DOT MIN DOT RIGHT OF WAY. YES. SO THAT SIGN IS ALLOWED. IT IS WITH THE CAVEAT THAT TYPICALLY YOU'RE ALLOWED ONE WALL SIGN AND ONE PROJECTING SIGN. BUT AGAIN, THAT IS FOR A TYPICAL STOREFRONT WHERE THERE'S ONLY ONE STREET, STREET FRONTAGE AND OTHER LOCATIONS DOWNTOWN WHERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE STREET FRONTAGES, THAT HAS BEEN ACCOMMODATED BY ALLOWING A WALL SIGN ON EACH FACE, THE CODE IS A LITTLE UNCLEAR. IT DOESN'T REALLY FACTOR THAT IN, SO THAT IS HOW THE CITY HAS CHOSEN TO INTERPRET THAT IN THE PAST. SO THERE'S SOME ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION. I'D SAY AS A SIGN PACKAGE AS A WHOLE HERE. YEAH. SO IS SO STAFF IS SUGGESTING THAT THIS SHOULD BE APPROVED OR NOT. WE ARE COMFORTABLE HAVING A WALL SIGN ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

JUST AS ON THE BRICK AND LINEN, THERE'S A WALL SIGN FACING SOUTH AS WELL AS ON MAIN STREET.

SO WHETHER IT IS A LOGO OR A SIGN HAVING A WALL SIGN FACING CHESTNUT PLAZA IS POTENTIALLY ACCEPTABLE UNDER OUR UNDER OUR CODE. ALONG WITH THE NAME OF THE BANK ON THOSE UPPER WINDOW THINGS. YEAH. SO SO THIS IS A WALL SIGN IN THE BACK. IT'S FLUSH WITH THE WALL ON THE FRONT. OOPS. WRONG DIRECTION BECAUSE IT IS ON THE AWNING. IT'S ACTUALLY AWNING SIGN, WHICH IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN A WALL SIGN. I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNAGE INCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSAL. OKAY. SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF SIGNAGE. JUST A COMMENT AND THEN ALSO QUESTION. SO THIS, THESE AWNINGS AND THE OTHER THINGS, ARE THEY GOING INTO THE MORTAR OF THE BUILDING. AND I GUESS THAT SAME COMMENT WITH THE COMPASS OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THAT WALL SIGN. YEAH. THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM FROM THE CONSULTANT IS THAT THAT BE ATTACHED THROUGH THE MORTAR AND NOT THROUGH THE BRICK? I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THE CURRENT AWNINGS ARE ATTACHED. THEY'RE THEY'RE MOUNTED THERE. SO EITHER REUSE THOSE, BUT DON'T PUT ANY NEW HOLES IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. I WOULD DEFINITELY BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AS WELL. NO NEW HOLES IN THE BRICK. I THINK THERE ARE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT THE AWNING ATTACHMENTS AND CONDUIT BE THROUGH MORTAR, AND I THINK WE COULD ADD ANOTHER ONE THEN FOR THE SIGNAGE ATTACHMENTS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT AS WELL. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT. IF WE WERE CONSIDERING THAT TO BE A GRAPHIC DESIGN SIGN, I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF SAYING THAT A LOGO IS IS WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS OF GRAPHIC DESIGN SIGNS, BECAUSE WE'VE SAID A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE COULDN'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE PAST. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IF IT'S STAFF'S POSITION THAT THIS MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF A OF A SIGNAGE PACKAGE AND, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, A REGULAR WALL SIGN FOR THE BUSINESS, THEN THEN I WOULDN'T HAVE THAT SAME CONCERN.

OBVIOUSLY, I FEEL THE SAME. I, I KIND OF LIKE ABOUT IT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THREE FACADES, TWO OF THEM HAVE SIGNAGE. THIS IS MORE OF A SYMBOL OR A LOGO. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE THING FACING JUST PLAZA, I'D RATHER HAVE THAT THAN, THAN A SIGN PER SE. SO I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE THING. SO JUST FOR THE SAKE OF FUTURE PRECEDENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF, SAY, THE BUILDING TURNS OVER AND THERE'S A FUTURE BUSINESS THERE, AND THEY HAVE A MORE TRADITIONAL SIGN WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET AT THAT LOCATION ON THAT WALL, WOULD WE BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? BECAUSE IT IS PRETTY BIG? OH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND I HAVE ONE FOR THAT. FUTURE BUSINESS WOULD. ALL RIGHT. I JUST QUESTION THE PLACEMENT OF IT ON THE BRICK. I WAS TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT SAYS IT'S NOT ALLOWED ON THE BRICK, BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT UNLESS IT'S A MURAL, IN WHICH CASE IT'S NOT ALLOWED ON A BRICK. I THINK OUT OF ALL OF THE SIGNAGE, THAT ONE WAS THE MOST THAT ONE GAVE YOU THE MOST PAUSE OR CONCERN BECAUSE LIKE ONE, IT'S GOING TO BE LIT AT

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IT I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST KIND OF STOOD OUT TO ME IN PARTICULAR. YEAH. I GUESS FOR ME, IT'S MAYBE JUST THE, THE SIZE THAT JUST SEEMS AWFULLY LARGE COMPARED TO WHAT WE'VE ASKED OTHER PEOPLE TO DO AND THEIR SIGN PACKAGES. AND I GET THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT BUILDING ON THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT THREE, THREE FRONTS, BUT. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THESE OTHER MULTI-TENANT. WELL, THIS ISN'T MULTI-TENANT, BUT WE'VE HAD OTHER BUILDINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GIVING EVERYBODY PRETTY SMALL SPACES FOR SIGNS. AND THIS IF IT WERE IN THE FUTURE, A DIFFERENT SIGN FOR A DIFFERENT TENANT OR DIFFERENT OWNER AT THAT SAME SIZE AND LOCATION, IT WOULD BE QUITE. QUITE SUBSTANTIAL. BUT THAT'S THAT'S JUST MY REACTION TO IT, MR. CHAIRMAN. ARE WE IF WE ALLOW THIS SIGN AS DRAWN, ARE WE ALLOWING SOMETHING THAT ARE WE MAKING AN EXCEPTION TO THE CODE? I GUESS THAT'S MAYBE MY QUESTION TO. I WOULD PROPOSE THAT IN TERMS OF IF THIS WERE NOT THE LOGO OF THE BANK AND IT WERE JUST AN IMAGE THAT I'D SAY THAT WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT. BUT THE FACT THAT IT IS A GRAPHIC. BUT IT IS THE LOGO OF THE BANK IS THIS KIND OF UNIQUE SITUATION. THE ONE THING WE HAVE NOT DONE IS VERIFIED HOW LARGE THIS CAN BE. THIS IS JUST THE THE IMAGE. WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAD A A PERMIT IN FRONT OF US, WE'D CONFIRM THE, THE SIZE OF THE WALL, WHICH IS QUITE LARGE, AND CONFIRM THAT THIS IS THE SCALED CORRECTLY FOR WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS. SO THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT'S NOT DONE HERE. SO IT'S POTENTIAL THAT IT COULD BE SHRUNK A LITTLE BIT. BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, IF IT WE'RE NOT REALLY SETTING A NEW PRECEDENT BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT BRICK AND LINEN. THEY HAVE WALL SIGNS, TEXT ON FACING TO THE SOUTH AS WELL AS FACING MAIN STREET AS WELL AS FACING WATER STREET. SO THIS IS LIKE THAT, BUT IT IS THE COMMERCIAL LOGO RATHER THAN THE THE NAME OF THE STORE. YEAH. I WOULD THINK THAT IF IT COMPLIES OR CAN BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH OUR SIGN ORDINANCE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW. I AGREE, AND GIVEN THE INVESTMENT THAT THE BANK IS MAKING, PURCHASING THE BUILDING AND FIXING IT UP, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO HAVE SOME REASONABLE BRANDING PRESENCE ON THAT COURT. SO YEAH, THE MAIN REASON WHY I BRING IT UP IS JUST TO HELP MY OWN THINKING OF IT, THAT IF IF I SAW A PROPOSAL FOR A SIGN LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD STRIKE ME AS SOMETHING LARGER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT CODE ALOUD. BUT I WOULD JUST I ASSUME STAFF WILL REVIEW THAT FURTHER AS IT GOES ALONG. SO TO HOLMES'S POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT TONIGHT. YEAH, OKAY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE SIGNAGE CONSULTANT, THOUGH. I. UP AND WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A REASON FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO. I ECHO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE MADE AROUND WRAPPING THOSE EXISTING AWNINGS IN SHEET METAL, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE COME TO WRAPPING THEIR SUPPORTS BACK IN SHEET METAL. I THINK THAT'S A VERY DETAILED, VERY EXPENSIVE THING TO DO, AND I'M TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO PAINT THOSE RATHER THAN WRAP THEM. WHICH BRINGS ME TO SIGNAGE. IS IT IS IT POSSIBLE, IN YOUR OPINION, TO GET AN EFFECTIVE IDENTIFICATION SIGN FOR THAT BUILDING ON MAIN STREET BY TAKING THE LETTERS OFF THE OVERHANG OR OFF THE AWNING, AND SITTING THEM ON TOP OF THE AWNING? COULD COULD FIRST RESOURCE BANK SIT ON TOP OF THAT AWNING RATHER THAN BE ON THE FACE OF IT? IF WE LOOK AT THE MAIN STREET ELEVATION AND I ASK, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER SETTINGS, RIGHT. AND WE'VE FABRICATED THAT TYPE OF SIGN. MY NAME IS RICK FERRARO. I'M FROM SPECTRUM SIGN SYSTEMS OUT OF BLAINE, MINNESOTA. THANK YOU. COMMISSION. IT IS POSSIBLE. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THE CANOPY MOUNTED LETTERS IS WITH THE RESTRICTED AREA. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A THINNER STROKE LETTER. AND THIS IS KIND OF A SERIF FONT. IT CAN GET LOST IN THE SHADOWS. AND THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF DESIGNING ESTHETICALLY PLEASING PROPORTIONED SIGNS THAT ARE GOING TO COMPLIMENT THE BUILDING. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT IS A POSSIBILITY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IF I COULD JUST ADDRESS THE LOGO GRAPHIC ON THE NORTH

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THE FINISH OF IT IS VERY RICH, AND IT WOULD COLLABORATE WITH THE SIGNAGE ON BOTH THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. IS THE I NOTICED THE THREE LIGHTS ABOVE THE SIGN. THE THREE GOOSENECK LIGHTS IS THE MAIN THING I THINK MOST OF US WOULD WANT TO SEE. OF COURSE, LIKE WITH ALL THE SIGNAGE, IS THAT IT'S NOT OVERLY LIT OR UNNECESSARILY ILLUMINATED. SO WOULD A SINGLE LAMP BE ENOUGH? OR AT ANY RATE, MY CONCERN WOULD JUST BE THAT IT'S NOT THIS BLINDING BRIGHT SPOT IN IN AN OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, REASONABLY WELL LIT PLAZA.

RIGHT. SO THAT THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN. GREAT POINT. AND I THINK WE COULD COLLABORATE WITH MIKE ON THAT. I THINK THE GOAL IS TO WASH THE LOGO WITH LIGHT AND IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S THE IT'S PROPOSED DOWN LIGHTING. IT'S NOT TO MAKE THE LOGO GLOW, IF YOU WILL. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT WITH DIFFERENT FIXTURES AND DIFFERENT HUES OF LIGHT. BUT I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY POSSIBLE TO TONE THAT DOWN. SO WE DON'T HAVE A BLINDING REFLECTION. SPEAKING OF LIGHTING, I THINK IN THE PAST WE'VE ALSO OFTEN PUT ON A, BASED ON OUR GUIDELINES, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. HAVE LIGHTING BE KIND OF IN THE WHITE TO WARMER RANGE IS THAT YOU HAVE COLOR TEMPERATURE.

PICKED OUT FOR THESE LIGHTS YET? NO, NOTHING HAS BEEN PICKED OUT AT THIS POINT. SO AGAIN, WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT. OKAY. AND THE SIGNED THE GRAPHIC WOULD BE MOUNTED THROUGH THE MORTAR JOINTS AS WELL. SO FOR SURE. MISTER CHAIR, MISTER CHAIR JUST. SLIGHT CRITIQUE.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH YOUR LOGO, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, AND IF I WAS SITTING AT CHESTNUT PLAZA AND I LOOKED AT THIS BUILDING, I WOULD THINK THAT WAS THE MASONIC LODGE OR SOMETHING.

MAYBE SOME LETTERING, YOU KNOW, FIRST STATE BANK IN THE LOGO OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW, JUST A PUBLIC CRITIQUE. AND I THINK THAT'D BE FOR THEM TO WORK OUT WITH, WITH STAFF. BUT YEAH, IF IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE A, A, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DETERMINED IT'S NOT A GRAPHIC DESIGN SIGN, IT'S JUST A REGULAR SIGN, THEN THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S AN OPTION THAT THEY HAVE. ANY OTHER. THANK YOU FOR THAT OTHER DISCUSSION. I THINK WE LEFT THIS AT THERE'S A RESOLUTION. IF SOMEBODY IS LOOKING TO APPROVE IT. I THINK I HEARD EARLIER THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY BE COMFORTABLE HAVING IT TABLED AND BROUGHT BACK WITH REVISIONS. SO THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT MOTION. WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR ONE OF THOSE DIRECTIONS? I MOVE TO TABLE CASE NUMBER 2026-028. MOTION FROM MAYOR. WE HAVE A SECOND. FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. CAN CAN WE ASK THAT THE THAT WE TABLE AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH A VERSION OF THE PLAN THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE FOLDING DOORS AND RAILINGS, BUT INSTEAD PROPOSES ANOTHER WAY TO TO GET THOSE PROGRAMMATIC NEEDS SOLVED IN THE BUILDING? ARE YOU OPEN TO THAT AMENDMENT? THAT'S NOT A VERY CLEAR AMENDMENT. IT SEEMS A LITTLE COMPLICATED FOR A MOTION. SURE WAS THE WAY I SAID IT. ALTERNATIVELY, I GUESS IT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD JUST ADD FOR THE RECORD AND IT WOULD GO IN THE MINUTES. BUT LET'S, LET'S DO THAT. I, I'LL BACK AWAY FROM MY. MAYBE UPON REVIEW OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONSIDERATION OF THOSE ELEMENTS IN A DESIGN. IN THE DESIGN OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. YEAH.

THE POINT OF MY REQUEST IS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GIVING CLEAR DIRECTION ON, ON WHAT WE ANTICIPATE COMING BACK, THAT WE THAT WE CAN BE FRIENDLIER TO, AND WHETHER

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AND NOW WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. PERHAPS THE MINUTES CAN REFLECT THAT FEEDBACK RATHER THAN HAVE IT IN THE MOTION. YES, THAT WOULD BE FINE. THAT WOULD BE FINE. AND JUST SUMMARIZING THAT FEEDBACK, IF THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO THAT. YEAH, I THINK THAT WE'VE HAVE MAJOR DISCOMFORT WITH THE WIDER OPENINGS AND THE FOLDING DOORS AND THE RAILINGS.

WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT TO RECONSIDER THAT. WE ALSO WOULD HOPE THAT THE FENESTRATION ON THE RIVER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED BY USE OF THE THIN VERTICAL FENESTRATION, RATHER THAN INTRODUCING A NEW, BROADER ELEMENT. AND THIRDLY, THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION FOR THE AWNINGS THAT DOES NOT WRAP THEM ALL IN IN METAL, BUT RELIES ON ON PAINT TO GIVE IT A MORE DURABLE AND LESS EXPENSIVE AND CHANGEABLE FINISH OVER TIME. OKAY, THOUGHTS, IS EVERYONE CONCUR WITH THAT SUMMARY? I CONCUR THAT THE SIGNAGE SUGGESTION OF THE ACTUAL THREE DIMENSIONAL LETTERS THAT COMMISSIONER HOLMES MADE COULD ALSO BE IN THAT LIST. SIGNAGE CONSULTANT CONSIDERED IT. WHEN I LOOK AT IT IN ELEVATOR, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DIFFICULTY IN SEEING. MAYBE THERE'S A WAY OF PUTTING A BACKGROUND TO THEM, BUT BY SETTING THEM ON TOP OF THAT LARGER PORTION OF WINDOW AND AND OVERHANG, I AT LEAST LOOKING AT IT HERE, YOU COULD MAKE IT CONSIDERABLY BIGGER THAN WHAT'S SHOWN IN YOUR ELEVATION. THERE'S MORE. IT'S SO HARD TO THAT'S FORESHORTENED SO BADLY THAT IN THE PHOTO, BUT IN THE ACTUAL ELEVATION WHERE IT'S DRAWN, THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT MORE ROOM END TO END ON THERE. AND, WELL, THAT LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN THE ELEVATION.

BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THE SIGNAGE COULD. IF IT COULD SIT UP ON TOP, THEN THOSE, THE EXISTING ONES COULD PERHAPS REMAIN. OR AT LEAST I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE ON THIS FACADE. BUT I LIKE THAT IDEA THAT DIMENSIONAL LETTERS ON TOP OF IT TO TO KEEP THE CONSISTENT DETAILING AROUND THE BUILDING. YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, NOT TO THROW COLD WATER ON IT, BUT I JUST CHECKING OUR SIGN CODE, TALKING ABOUT AWNING SIGNS, THERE'S A RULE THAT SAYS AN AWNING OR CANOPY SIGN MAY NOT PROJECT HIGHER THAN THE TOP OF THE AWNING OR CANOPY OR BELOW THE AWNING OR CANOPY. SO DEPENDING ON IF WE INTERPRET THAT TO MEAN, IT HAS TO BE ACTUALLY ON THE FACE HOW IT SEEMS TO READ. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION. GOOD TO KNOW. THANK YOU. YEAH, I WOULD ADD THAT THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION IN ANY REVISIONS THAT THE ARCHITECT OR THE SIGNAGE COMPANY WOULD DO. WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY TRYING TO DESIGN IT. AGREED, AGREED. AND THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING, BUT WE WELCOME THE INVESTMENT THAT THE BANK IS MAKING. WE WANT THIS BUILDING TO WORK FOR THEM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS SO THAT THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING DESIGN IS, IS, IS HELD WITH THE CHANGES. BUT WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL THAT THE BANK IS IS MAKING THIS MOVE AND MAKING THIS INVESTMENT. OKAY. SEEMS LIKE WE'VE HAD A GOOD SUMMARY THEN OF SOME OPTIONS AND IDEAS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. WE SHOULD VOTE ON THE MOTION. YEAH. I THINK THAT UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THAT MOTION TO TABLE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED AND ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY ON TABLING THE CASE. THANK YOU AGAIN. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH YOU AND FOR THE PROJECT TO COME TOGETHER. SO THEN NEXT ON

[4. Appointment of Chair and Vice Chair]

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WELL, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND OUR CURRENT CHAIR, MATT THOMSON, AND OUR VICE CHAIR, FITZY HEIMDAHL, TO CONTINUE IN THEIR POSITIONS SHOULD THEY BE WILLING TO DO THAT. SECOND. I'M WILLING IF YOU ALL ARE SO INCLINED, I'M WILLING FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. BUT MAYBE THINK ABOUT IT AFTER THAT FOR ANOTHER POTENTIAL. FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE. YES, YES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU ALL FOR ENTRUSTING ME TO CONTINUE RUNNING THESE MEETINGS. AND FITZY ON THE OTHER OCCASIONS. SO. NEXT ON

[5. CAMP Training Recap – No packet materials]

BUT I FOUND THAT TO BE REALLY HELPFUL. YEAH, IT WAS IN ATTENDANCE ALSO. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CITY AND OUR CHAIR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. SO IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED. THESE PEOPLE CAME FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY TO BE WITH US. SO THAT WAS VERY NICE OF THEM TO DO THAT AND TAKE THE TIME. AND YEAH, HOW THEY KIND OF LOOKED AT DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THEN KIND OF COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE AND GAVE US SOME COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE SHOULD DO, I THOUGHT WAS VERY HELPFUL. AND I REALLY LIKE THE ENERGY OF ONE OF THE SPEAKERS. SHE WAS FUN AND GAVE SOME REAL LIFE STORIES OF WHAT SHE'S GOING THROUGH AS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND HER HISTORIC TOWN IN MADISON, GEORGIA, AS I RECALL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT WAS I ALWAYS LOVED TO LEARN, WAS LEARNING A LOT. AND I ALSO DID NOTICE THAT OUR BUILDING STAFF FROM STILLWATER CAME IN TO SIT THROUGH THE DEMOLITION ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS DEMO DEMO BY NEGLECT. I THINK THEY'RE THERE FOR BOTH OF THOSE. YEAH.

SO I, I'M GLAD THAT THEY WERE INVITED. YEAH. HOPE THAT THEY FOUND SOME USEFUL INFORMATION AS WELL. YEAH. AND ALSO THAT IT WAS OPENED UP TO OTHER HPC. SO THERE WAS AN AFTERNOON HPC MEMBER THERE. IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR FROM HER AND, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO SHARE THE RESOURCES OF THE TRAINING TO. I THINK THAT WAS DUE TO OUR CHAIR, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

RIGHT. THAT YOU HAD INVITED HER. YEAH. YEP. THANK YOU. WE WORKING WITH WITH BEN GUTKNECHT,

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SO YEAH. AND THEN YEAH. AND ALSO OTHER COMMISSIONERS TOO, FROM LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OVER THERE AS WELL. SO YES, THAT WAS, THAT WAS GREAT AS WELL. YEAH, YEAH. I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY GOOD. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS NICE FOR US AS A GROUP TO KIND OF GET TO STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, STILLWATER AND THE GOOD THAT PRESERVATION HAS DONE FOR OUR CITY AND CONTINUES TO DO SO. THAT WAS GOOD. ONE THING IS, I THINK I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL RECEIVED A POST-TRAINING SURVEY LINK TO FILL OUT A FORM TO GO BACK TO THE TRAINERS AS THEY AS THEY KIND OF DO THEIR WRAP UP FOR THE FOR THE CITY.

THANK YOU FOR AND PLEASE THANK BEN AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN. ANYTHING ELSE. MR. CHAIR, JUST ONE LAST THING. THANKS TO STAFF. I AM AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW FROM A STAFFING POINT OF VIEW, AND SO JUST DEEPLY APPRECIATED HOW WELL PRESENTED TONIGHT WAS. AGREED. AND I THINK THIS IS NOT YOUR ONLY MEETING OF THE OF THE DAY EVEN. YEAH. SO THANK YOU. YEAH. AND. THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING. OH, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT NABC MINNEAPOLIS? I THINK YOU DID LAST YEAR. I DID LAST TIME. I GUESS JUST A REMINDER, IT'S IN THE MINUTES, INCLUDING THE DATES, WHICH I DON'T HAVE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME AT THE MOMENT. NEXT MONTH, IN ANY EVENT, NEXT MONTH, JULY 22ND THROUGH THE 25TH. YES.

SHOULD BE A GREAT SESSION. HOPEFULLY PEOPLE ARE GOING. THERE ARE SOME GREAT TOURS AND GREAT COURSES, AND SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD LAST MONTH AND BUT ON DIFFERENT TOPICS, AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. SO I'LL BE ATTENDING. I'M EXCITED. GREAT. JUST FOR ONE DAY, BUT NONETHELESS. ANYONE CARE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. SO MOVE. SECOND. MOTION BY SECOND BY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS. OKAY.

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* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.