[I. CALL TO ORDER]
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          GO. I WILL CALL THE SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2026 MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO ORDER. WE HAVE EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT. COMMISSIONERS. LARSEN. FINN. 
          HEIMDALL, MINO. HOLMES, TUCSON. SUMMERS. TUCSON. AND. COUNCIL. LIAISON. COLLINS. AND SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AUGUST 19TH, 2026 MEETING MINUTES. DOES ANYONE HAVE CORRECTIONS FOR THE MINUTES? I DO HAVE ONE CORRECTION. THE VISITOR GUESTS THAT WE HAD. MCDONOUGH. HIS NAME IS SPELLED WRONG. OKAY. I THINK IT SHOULD BE MCDONOUGH. YES. CORRECT. OKAY. I HAD A COUPLE OF THEM. ON PAGE. PAGE FIVE. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE THE SENTENCE. AND THEY'RE ABOUT MY QUESTION ABOUT CONGRESSWOMAN MCCALLUM'S GETTING DELISTED. AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. THAT WASN'T ME SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING, BUT I WAS JUST ASKING STAFF WHAT STAFF KNEW ABOUT THAT, WHICH I HAD HEARD AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ON PAGE SIX, IT SAYS CHAIR TUCSON POINTED OUT THAT THE COUNCIL HAS NOT RELIED ON THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION SUGGESTION IN THE PAST. AND WHEN I SAID THEY. AND I WATCHED THE VIDEO AGAIN AND I SAID THEY THEY'RE. I WAS REFERRING TO THE PROJECT TEAM AND NOT THE CITY COUNCIL. SO I WOULD ASK FOR THAT CORRECTION. 
          I'M SORRY, WHAT PAGE WAS THAT? THAT WAS PAGE SIX. ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS FOR THE MINUTES? SO YOUR SUGGESTION FOR THE ONE ABOUT THE DELISTING. DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC EDIT YOU'RE SUGGESTING FOR THAT. I WOULD JUST MAYBE AFTER NATIONAL REGISTER I WOULD SAY AND AND ASKED IF THE STAFF, IF STAFF HAD HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT I WAS NOT ADVOCATING FOR THAT COURSE OF ACTION. WELL, I WOULD I 
          [III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CORRECTIONS. OF THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 19TH, 2026. SECOND. OKAY. 
          MOTION BY SECOND BY HOLMES. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY ANYONE AGAINST ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED WITH THE CHANGES DISCUSSED. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE OPEN FORUM, WHERE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. AND WE'D ASK THAT IF YOU SPEAK AT THE OPEN FORUM TO LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO FIVE MINUTES OR LESS. DOES ANYONE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE OPEN FORUM? SEEING NOBODY, I WILL CLOSE THE OPEN FORUM AND WE'LL CONTINUE DOWN THE AGENDA. WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT AND NO UNFINISHED 
          [2. Case No. CD2026-040: Design Review request for 107 Chestnut Street]
BUSINESS TONIGHT. SO THAT TAKES US TO NEW BUSINESS CASE NUMBER C, D2026-040. DESIGN REVIEW REQUEST FOR 107 CHESTNUT STREET. AND WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF. THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. HOPEFULLY THIS IS A PRETTY QUICK ITEM. BEN PREPARED THIS BEFORE YOU LEFT AND HE'LL BE OUT FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. SO WE'LL BE FILLING IN. THIS IS DESIGN REVIEW. THE REQUEST IS FOR THE APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FRESH AIR INTAKE VENT ON THE SIDE ELEVATION OF THE OLD ARMORY BUILDING. AND THIS WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW THE APPROVED CONVERSION OF AN EXISTING OFFICE SPACE INTO LIVING SPACE. JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND. BACK IN 2019, THE CITY APPROVED A CUP WHICH ALLOWED EIGHT RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO GO INTO THAT BUILDING. ONLY SEVEN OF THOSE HAVE BEEN PUT IN SO FAR, SO THIS HAS APPROVAL FOR THE LAST, THE EIGHTH AND LAST UNIT TO GO IN. BUT THEY DO NEED THAT THAT AIR INTAKE TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE AWARE THE OLD ARMORY IS THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE NATIONALLY LISTED DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THERE IS THE THE SITE RIGHT OFF OF CHESTNUT AND THIRD AND LOOKING AT IT FROM FROM CHESTNUT. THIS IS THE BUILDING. AND THE AREA THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS KIND OF RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING AREA. SO THIS IS THE PICTURE PROVIDED BY BY THE APPLICANT. AND YOU CAN SEE THIS HOOPS THAT THAT HOOD THAT HAS BEEN DRAWN IN OR 
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KIND OF PHOTOSHOPPED. AND THAT IS THE, THE AREA THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF INSTALLATION AND GOING THROUGH KIND OF SOME OF, OF THE, THE STAFF REPORT. THE, THE INSTALLATION IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, A SMALL SIX INCH DIAMETER OPENING IN THE MASONRY ABOUT A 3.5IN HOOD PROJECTING FROM THAT SIDE WALL, A GALVANIZED STEEL, BUT IT WOULD BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE COLOR OF THE EXISTING BRICK. IT REALLY WOULD PRIMARILY DISTURB JUST ONE BRICK, BUT THERE MAY BE ALONG THE EDGES SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL BRICKS UP TO FIVE THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED. A LITTLE BIT OF DESCRIPTION IN THE IN YOUR PACKET ABOUT KIND OF HOW THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED. NO OTHER CHANGES WOULD BE MADE TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, AND IT IS INTENDED TO BE A PERMANENT IMPROVEMENT TO AGAIN, FACILITATE THAT, THAT LIVING UNIT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO IT IN BEN'S REPORT JUST POINTED OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING THIS IS A, A. A BUILDING THAT HAS TO ADHERE TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION. YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANT TO TRY TO MINIMIZE ANY KIND OF CHANGE THAT WOULD IMPACT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER. HE DOES POINT TO THE PRESERVATION BRIEF 24, WHICH KIND OF RECOGNIZES SOMETIMES NEEDING TO ADD MECHANICAL SYSTEMS TO ACCOMMODATE CONTEMPORARY USES. AND BASED ON STAFF'S EVALUATION, THIS IS A PRETTY MINOR CHANGE AND WOULD KIND OF FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY. LOOKING AT OUR CITY OF STILLWATER DESIGN STANDARDS, BEN PROVIDED SOME SOME FINDINGS THERE THAT REALLY INDICATE THOSE NEXT SCREEN THAT THE THE CHANGE WOULD NOT IMPACT THE ARCHITECTURAL OR HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY LIMITED IN SIZE ON A SECONDARY ELEVATION ON AN OTHERWISE PLAIN UNORNAMENTED AREA, BRICK MASONRY, AS BEN NOTES, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE THE STANDARDS FROM THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR. SMALL CHANGE NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THE RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          THE FOURTH. FINDING THAT IT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE. IT'S GOING TO BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE EXISTING BRICK, MINIMIZING KIND OF THE VISUAL PROMINENCE. AND THEN FOURTH, THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF OUR CITY'S DESIGN REVIEW AND HERITAGE PRESERVATION REGULATIONS, AND WOULDN'T NEGATIVELY ALTER THE CHARACTER OR SIGNIFICANCE OF THE BUILDING OR THE SITE. SO BASED ON THOSE FINDINGS, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. WE DID SUGGEST FIVE CONDITIONS THAT ARE LISTED HERE AND REALLY JUST KIND OF MEMORIALIZING THINGS WE MENTIONED ABOUT FOLLOWING THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, THE THE PAINT, TRYING NOT TO DISTURB THE SURROUNDING BRICKS, ANY DAMAGE NEEDING TO BE REPAIRED, AND THEN ALL OTHER PERMITS NEEDING TO BE INSTALLED. THE THE REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. I'LL BACK UP MAYBE TO THE PHOTO OF THE WALL. AND I DID NOTE THAT CHAIR TUCSON DID POINT OUT ONE MISSING, WHEREAS CLAUSE IN THE RESOLUTION. SO IF YOU GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT, WE ADDED THE CLAUSE BACK IN ABOUT JUST NEEDING TO CONFORM TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS. 
          SO WE CAN WE GET THAT FAR, WE CAN HIGHLIGHT WHAT THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE. SO HAPPY TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? JUST TO CLARIFY, THE THE VENT THAT WE SEE IN THAT IMAGE IS A PHOTOSHOPPED IMAGE OF WHAT? THE VENT WHERE THE VENT WILL BE. CORRECT. OKAY, I SAW SOMETHING. IT'S VERY WELL DONE BECAUSE YEAH, IT IS. I'M LOOKING AT IT AND I COULDN'T TELL. I SAW SOMETHING ABOUT A BLUE X. I DIDN'T SEE ANY BLUE X'S. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. ANY OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT. ANYTHING TO ADD. NOTHING SPECIFIC TO ADD. WE DID LOOK AT TRYING TO DO A FOUR INCH HOLE. TRY TO MINIMIZE THIS IMPACT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          CODE REQUIRES A SIX INCH. SO WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OTHER SIMILAR VENT HOODS ON THE FRONT FACE OF THE BUILDING. FROM THE ORIGINAL REHABILITATION. THOSE HAVE BEEN PAINTED TO MATCH AS THEY'VE WORN OFF. WE'VE REPAINTED THOSE AND THEY BLEND IN PRETTY WELL. IF ANYBODY DRIVES PAST THE BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE I THINK IT'S THREE ON THE FACE OF THE BUILDING, BUT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH MINIMIZES THE VISUAL IMPACT. SO WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, ANY. CAN YOU. YEAH. SORRY FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. YEAH. MATTHEW WOLFF APPLICANT AND OWNER OF THE BUILDING. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. OKAY. NOT HEARING ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSION. I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO IT. IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE AND NOT IMPACT. IT'S 
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NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE BUILDING IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY. SINCE I HAVE THAT EXTRA, WHEREAS I MAYBE I'LL MAKE A MOTION AND JUST INCORPORATE THAT INTO IT. SO I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL WITH THE THE RESOLUTION, INCLUDING THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS IN THE PACKET WITH AN ADDITIONAL WHEREAS CLAUSE INSERTED AT THE AFTER THE ONE ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN REVIEW DISTRICT THAT SAYS. WHEREAS THE HISTORIC. WHEREAS, THE PROPERTY IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE STILLWATER COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, A HERITAGE PRESERVATION SITE ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 3RD, 1989. AND THAT JUST TIES IT BACK THAT IT'S A LOCALLY DESIGNATED HERITAGE PRESERVATION SITE AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO BE THE SAME. I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION A SECOND. IS THERE OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK WITH THE PROJECT. WE'LL MOVE ON THEN 
          [3. Historic Preservation Interpretive Signage]
TO NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS HISTORIC PRESERVATION INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE. AND I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO STAFF. ALL RIGHT. ONE SECOND. OKAY. SO I BELIEVE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, MOST OF YOU WERE ON THE COMMISSION, I GUESS, BACK IN 22, 23 WHEN OUR RESIDENT LOWELL THOMPSON, BROUGHT FORWARD, I THINK, BOTH THE COMMISSION AND EVENTUALLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL A REQUEST TO TO HAVE SOME HISTORIC INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE INSTALLED IN DOWNTOWN STILLWATER. I THINK AT THAT POINT HE WAS THINKING OF KIND OF TWO LOCATIONS, ONE ON COMMERCIAL STREET PLAZA, KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE OLD MILL THAT WAS THERE, AND THEN ALSO AN OVERLOOK OF THE MAIN TO SOUTH STEPS ON MAIN STREET. AND THE IDEA WAS TO PROVIDE SOME IMAGES AND NARRATIVE KIND OF DESCRIBING THE THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THOSE TWO LOCATIONS. READING BACK IN THE MINUTES, THIS GROUP WAS WAS FAIRLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. NOT SURPRISING. AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO HAVE KIND OF A TEMPLATE AND BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT KIND OF HOW THOSE SIGNS SHOULD LOOK. AND THEN WHAT HISTORIC ELEMENTS OF THE CITY, IF EVEN EXPAND BEYOND THOSE TWO, SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED. WE WENT TO THE COUNCIL, AND THE COUNCIL SUPPORTED THAT EFFORT AS WELL AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CITY PUBLIC WORKS CREW WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THE INSTALLATION, BUT LEAVING IT UP TO MR. THOMPSON AND OTHERS TO PRODUCE THE CONTENT AND THEN TO, YOU KNOW, FIND THE FUNDS TO HAVE THOSE FABRICATED. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IN THE INTERVENING YEARS, A FEW OF YOU ACTUALLY MET WITH MR. THOMPSON AND KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH STAFF TURNOVER AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. THE MOMENTUM WAS LOST. BUT OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO SINCE I'VE BEEN ON STAFF, BEEN TALKING TO MR. THOMPSON AND WE'RE TRYING TO RELAUNCH THIS. SO HE REACHED OUT TO ME AND WE'VE KIND OF TRIED TO GET THINGS GOING. AND ONE THING THAT WE THAT WE DID THAT I DID DO WAS KIND OF REACH OUT TO A LOCAL PLANNING AND DESIGN FIRM. ONE HAS WORKED WITH STILLWATER A NUMBER OF AREAS, INCLUDING OUR BANNERS DOWNTOWN, THE MASTER PARKS PLAN, AND THEY HAVE DONE HISTORIC SIGNAGE FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES. AND JUST TALKING WITH THEM, THEY REALLY URGED US, IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT DOING THIS, TO TAKE JUST A SLIGHT STEP BACK AND THINK ABOUT THE OVERALL PURPOSE OF THESE SIGNS, RATHER THAN JUST KIND OF DROPPING THEM ON HISTORIC PLACES. WHAT IS THE MESSAGE WE'RE TRYING TO GET ACROSS? IS THERE KIND OF A CONSISTENT THEME ACROSS THESE LOCATIONS, REALLY TAKING A STEP BACK AND HAVING IT WELL THOUGHT OUT? AND REALLY THEN WHEN YOU MOVE FORWARD TO THE FABRICATION INSTALLATION, MAKE FOR MUCH MORE COHERENT SYSTEM OF SIGNS. SO ONE THING THEY DID IS THEY PROVIDED, AND I HAVE IT IN YOUR PACKET, KIND OF A FRAMEWORK FOR THINKING ABOUT THIS. THESE FIRST FOUR STEPS ARE KIND OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION. THEY ENCOURAGE US TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER WITH THEM OR BY OURSELVES, BUT THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SIGNS, WHAT MESSAGE YOU WANT TO CONVEY, HOW MANY LOCATIONS ARE THESE GROUND MOUNTED, WALL MOUNTED, ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. AND THEN ONCE WE GET BEYOND THAT, THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND HELP US KIND OF LAY OUT THE SIGNS AND THEN WE CAN MOVE TO GET THEM FABRICATED. I DID WANT TO JUST SHOW YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF KIND OF THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THEY HAVE DONE. LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TO, OOPS, GET THIS TO WORK HERE. SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOME SIGNS THAT A SET OF THREE FOR I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT COMMUNITY IT'S ON THE CANNON RIVER, BUT YOU CAN SEE CONSISTENT LOOK CONVEYING DIFFERENT INFORMATION, INCORPORATING BOTH GRAPHICS AND PHOTOS AND TEXT. I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT, WHAT MR. THOMPSON WAS INITIALLY ENVISIONING WHEN WE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING A COUPLE OF THESE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THEY WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE CITY OF CHASKA, WHICH HAS A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, AND THEY CAME UP WITH A SERIES OF ACTUALLY LARGE KIOSKS ALONG A HIGHWAY 41. BUT BEFORE THEY GOT 
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TO THE CONTENT, YOU CAN SEE THEY HAD THEMES FOR EACH OF THE SIDES OF THE KIOSKS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT KIOSKS AND THEN BLOCKED OUT WHERE THERE'D BE IMAGES, WHETHER IT BE INFORMATION, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF EACH KIOSK WAS. AND IT'S REALLY NICELY DONE. I THINK I HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE BIG PANELS THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER. HERE'S ANOTHER ONE. AND THEY HAVE A SERIES OF THESE THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN. SO I THINK COMING TO YOU LOOKING FOR KIND OF THE NOD, THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT APPROACH FOR US TO TAKE RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, COMING UP WITH TEXT AND THROWING A SIGN UP. WE HAD A MORE THOUGHTFUL APPROACH. 
          YOU KNOW, TAKING A STEP BACK, HOW MANY SIGNS WOULD WE WANT? WHAT LOCATIONS WOULD THERE BE? WOULD WE WANT THEMES OR DO WE WANT JUST, YOU KNOW, IS IT BUILDINGS THAT WERE HERE AND EITHER ARE GONE OR HAVE BEEN MODIFIED? IS IT IN CHASKA? THEY TALKED ABOUT DISTRICTS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THE RIVER AND, AND THE, THE CHASKA BRICK, WHICH WAS A HISTORIC BUILDING MATERIAL. I THINK IF WE TOOK SOME TIME TO THINK THOSE THINGS THROUGH, WE'D HAVE A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT AND YOU COULD EXPAND IT EVEN BEYOND THE DOWNTOWN TO OTHER HISTORIC OR IMPORTANT LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT STILLWATER. HOWEVER, OF COURSE, DOING THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME AND PROBABLY SOME MONEY. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE COMING TO YOU TO KIND OF HELP BRAINSTORM A WAY FORWARD. YOU KNOW, STAFF DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME TO TAKE THIS ON OR THE KNOWLEDGE TO TAKE THIS ON BY OURSELF. I THINK THIS GROUP IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT ONES TO HELP AT LEAST DO THAT INITIAL WALK THROUGH OF THOSE FIRST FOUR PARTS OF THAT FRAMEWORK AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT IT MAY ALSO INVOLVE, YOU KNOW, HIRING A FIRM LIKE KAGI TO HELP US, EVEN IF NOT ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, TO GET TO THAT, THAT LAYOUT AND PUT TOGETHER THESE SIGNS. SO I WANTED TO RAISE THAT OBVIOUSLY, TALKING WITH WITH LOWELL, THIS HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS IN, IN THE MAKING, AND WE'D LIKE TO MOVE IT FORWARD. AND SO WE'RE KIND OF OPENING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU HAVE ON KIND OF THE BEST WAYS TO TACKLE THIS AND, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING THIS DONE? I KNOW IN CHASKA, ONE THING THEY DID DO IS THEY KIND OF COMBINED IT WITH THEIR STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS WHEN HIGHWAY 41 WAS BEING DONE, MAIN STREETS NOT GOING TO BE RECONSTRUCTED NOW UNTIL 2033. 
          SO THAT'S A WAYS OUT. BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THIS WHEN THE MAIN STREET IS REDONE. WE HAVE WHATEVER SIGNAGE ALONG MAIN STREET, AS WELL AS OTHER SITES DOWNTOWN IN PLACE. SO I'LL PAUSE THERE, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, SEE WHAT THOUGHTS PEOPLE HAVE, BUT WE'D LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. SO SUGGESTIONS ON NEXT STEPS, MAYBE FUNDING THOSE SORTS OF THINGS WOULD BE WELCOME. I'M JUST CURIOUS ON SIZING OF HOW BIG THESE ARE AND, AND WOULD WE BE CONSIDERING DIFFERENT SIZES DEPENDING ON, ON THE CONTENT CONTENT? YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THOSE ARE ALL FLEXIBLE. I KNOW WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE ARE I HAD SOME PHOTOS SOMEWHERE, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY QUITE LARGE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FOUR FEET BY FOUR FEET THAT ARE THE SQUARE ONE THAT'S MOUNTED. BUT THESE OTHER ONES ARE, YOU KNOW, MORE MODEST IN SIZE. LOOKS LIKE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, 18 BY, BY 36 OR SOMETHING. I THINK THAT DEPENDS ON, ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME SIZE, I THINK AS YOU TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, IN SOME AREAS IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A TOP OF THE STAIRS. MAYBE IT'S A MORE PANORAMIC HORIZONTAL SIGN, WHEREAS OTHER ONES, IT MIGHT BE MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, RECTANGULAR SIGN ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING. SO I THINK IT COULD BE FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF SIZE AND ORIENTATION. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT CAME TO MIND WITH THIS, I THINK IT'S GREAT IDEA IN GENERAL IS, AND I THINK EVERYTHING I READ HERE IS, IS A GOOD IDEA ABOUT TRYING TO KEEP THIS CONSISTENT. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, OF ONE SORT OF DESIGN THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER SIGNS WE ALREADY HAVE OUT THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING IS THE I KNOW THERE'S, FOR INSTANCE, SOME KIND OF LIKE AT AT THE PLAZA, THERE'S SOME KIND OF A MAP AND A KIND OF A WORN OUT SIGN THERE, BUT THERE MAY BE A LOT OF OTHER SIGNS I DON'T KNOW ABOUT. AND I'M WONDERING IF THESE ARE IF WE WOULD BE REMOVING THOSE SIGNS. SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT DIFFERENT SIGNS. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I'M JUST WANTING TO RAISE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I KNOW THERE'S ONE AT THE WARDEN'S HOUSE. THERE'S ONE AT THE COURTHOUSE. THERE MAY BE 2 OR 3 OTHERS. I MEAN, A VERY DIFFERENT LOOK THAN THESE, OBVIOUSLY KIND OF YOUR OLD KIND OF BROWN BRONZE TEXT. ONLY I WOULDN'T SEE NECESSARILY REPLACING THOSE. BUT MAYBE OVER TIME, AS THEY WEAR OUT, YOU END UP CONVERTING TO ONE OF THESE. BUT YEAH, FOR NOW, I THINK WE'D JUST BE AUGMENTING THE SIGNS THAT ARE OUT THERE, BUT DOING A LITTLE QUICK INVENTORY OF WHAT WE CAN FIND WOULD BE HELPFUL. YEAH. SEEMS TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAME UP WITH A, A CONSISTENT APPROACH AND ALSO A MAP OF WHERE WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO, TO EVENTUALLY BE, IT ALSO IS 
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PROBABLY A PERIOD OF YEARS AS THOSE OLD ONES ARE GETTING REPLACED OR, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THERE'S SOME FUNDING TO DO THEM ALL OVERNIGHT. THE ONE THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS THERE'S A METAL PLAQUE THAT WAS INSTALLED IN THE 1950S FOR THE TAMARACK HOUSE ON THAT PULL OFF ON THE SIDE OF 95 NORTH OF TOWN. AND THAT WASN'T ACTUALLY THE SITE OF TAMARACK HOUSE. SO THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME OLDER ONES THAT COULD STAND TO BE REVISITED. AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS LEADS TO THAT IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, TO THE, THE POINT THAT LOWELL'S BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION TOO, IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT SMALL GROUP MET A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THIS BEFORE, I THINK. YOU KNOW, WE WERE ADVISED BY THE STAFF AT THAT TIME TO COME UP WITH JUST A COUPLE OF THEM AS A AS A PILOT PROJECT. SO THAT WAS WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THOSE TWO. 
          WE BROUGHT THAT TO THE COMMISSION, AND YOU ALL WERE LOOKING FOR SOME CONSISTENCY. 
          AND I THINK THIS REALLY WILL GET US TO THAT. SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE IT. THERE'S THE FINAL LIST OF WHAT GETS ON HERE. IS THAT CONSTANTLY DEVELOPING, OR I LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST STARTING SOMETHING. YEAH. AND THIS APPROACH, SEVERAL HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED. I CAN'T ARGUE WITH THEM. I COULD THINK OF DOZENS MORE PROBABLY. AND WE'RE TALKING BUILDINGS. WE'RE TALKING DISTRICTS. WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, THE RIVER, WE'RE TALKING. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I THINK. SO WHO WHO COMES UP WITH THAT LIST? IS THAT OUR CONSULTANT? YEAH. OR IS THAT I MEAN, I THINK IT'S US WITH INPUT FROM THE COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY. BUT I ALSO THINK THERE WILL PROBABLY BE OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME ALONG, SAY, THE TWO NEW PARKS BEING DEVELOPED. THEY'RE GREAT CANDIDATES FOR SIGNAGE AND THERE'S MAYBE SOME CONSTRUCTION. 
          HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SOME CONSTRUCTION FUNDING TO DO SIGNAGE. SO IT MAY BE THAT THESE PROJECTS COME ABOUT IN DIFFERENT WAYS, I WOULD ASSUME, FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES. I GUESS ONE THING THAT I I'M NOT TOTALLY SURE WE CAN FOR THIS FRAMEWORK, COME UP WITH A DEFINITIVE LIST OF WHERE THE SIGNS OUGHT TO BE. AND I'M NOT TOTALLY SURE THEY'RE ASKING FOR THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COULD COME UP WITH DOZENS OF GOOD IDEAS AND THEN NARROW IT DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, AN INITIAL SET. YEAH. I THINK IN TALKING WITH THE CONSULTANTS, JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK CITIES OFTEN DO IS THEY COME UP WITH THAT FRAMEWORK THAT THE TEMPLATE, THE LOOK, THEY AGREE ON THAT AND THEY DO THOSE FIRST COUPLE AND THEN THEY DO ONE OR 2 OR 3 A YEAR FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AS FUNDING IS AVAILABLE AND AS OPPORTUNITIES OR, YOU KNOW, INSPIRATION STRIKES THEM, IT'S EASY TO KEEP ADDING THINGS ON. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT DEFINITIVE LIST UP FRONT. BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU PROBABLY COULD RATTLE OFF A NUMBER OF REALLY GOOD CANDIDATES AND MAYBE RANK THEM AND DO THE BEST, EASIEST ONES FIRST, AND THEN OVER TIME, BITE OFF, BITE OFF THE REST. DO YOU THINK THIS DIGGING INTO THIS FRAMEWORK WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO AT, SAY, A WORKSHOP SESSION? THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. YEAH, SORT OF THING. I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE IN THERE, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE TOO DIFFICULT. THIS REQUIRES SOME KIND OF SITTING DOWN AND BRAINSTORMING. SO EVEN WITHOUT A CONSULTANT, WE COULD PROBABLY DO SOME OF THAT ON OUR OWN AND THEN MAYBE GO GO TO THEM AND KIND OF HELP HAVE THEM HELP US KIND OF REFINE OUR APPROACH. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, WHEN WE DO START TO GET THE CONSULTANT INVOLVED AND DO THE, YOU KNOW, NEED MONEY TO HAVE THEM HELP US AND THEN MONEY TO HELP DO ALL THAT LAYOUT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT IF WE CAN GET THEM TO, TO HELP DO IT IS THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE KIND OF THOUGHT THAT WOULD REALLY TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND MAKE FOR A GOOD PRODUCT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WASHINGTON COUNTY GRANTS. ARE THERE OTHER OTHER POSSIBLE SOURCES THAT YOU KNOW OF? OR WE COULD BRAINSTORM AGAIN THIS THE CITY MIGHT, MIGHT, MIGHT CHIP IN MONEY. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COUNCIL, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME MOMENTUM AND THERE'S A GAP. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET BEHIND. THE MINNESOTA HISTORICAL SOCIETY CULTURAL HERITAGE FUNDING WOULD DEFINITELY BE A SOURCE FOR THIS TYPE OF OF INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE. SO SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK IT THE CITY COULDN'T APPLY FOR THAT, BUT WASHINGTON COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY COULD. AND ALSO POTENTIALLY CLP FUNDS. CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUNDS THAT WE GET FROM THE STATE. I HESITATE A LITTLE BIT ON FUNDING JUST BECAUSE WITH THE COMP PLAN COMING UP, IF THERE IS ANY HERITAGE RELATED STUFF THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR THE COMP PLAN, FUNDING IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO SUPPORT THAT WORK. OKAY. THEY ALSO SOMETHING THAT THE THE 
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ASSISTANT CITY ADMINISTRATOR MENTIONED A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE WHEN WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING ABOUT THIS, SAID THAT THERE WAS A LIKE A BEAUTIFICATION FUND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT POTENTIALLY COULD HELP WITH SOME OF THOSE WORK. YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY WHAT THEY WERE THINKING OF UTILIZING FOR THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION. 
          AND, BUT, BUT YEAH, I CAN LOOK INTO HOW MUCH IS THERE AS WELL. YEAH. AND JUST TO BACK OFF OF WHAT COMMISSIONER MINO MENTIONED, I KNOW THAT AND I JUST PULLED IT UP HERE. THE CULTURAL AND LEGACY FUND THROUGH THE MINNESOTA HISTORICAL SOCIETY. IT'S A TWO PART GRANT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S UP TO $20,000 PER PROJECT. AND THEN THE FIRST FIRST PHASE IS LIKE THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. SO KIND OF DOING THAT, THE LAYOUT, THE IDEAS, THE, THE LIST OF POTENTIAL THEMES AND LOCATIONS. AND THEN THE SECOND GRANT IS THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF IT AS WELL. SO IF WE GO THAT WAY, IT WOULD BE A TWO PART PROCESS, I WOULD SAY. THEY MAY HAVE CHANGED THIS, BUT THEY DID USED TO HAVE THE SMALL GRANT PROGRAM TOO, WHICH COMES UP MORE OFTEN DURING THE YEAR. AND IT'S, WELL, IT USED TO BE UNDER 10,000. THAT'S THE 20. IS IT 20? YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO, MR. CHAIR, INVOLVED IN THIS INFORMAL TASK FORCE. BUT IS MR. THOMPSON PROPOSING TO PAY FOR SOME OF THEM? IS THAT OKAY? SO I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD HAVE WE SHOULD HAVE A A MORE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO OUR EDUCATIONAL SIGNS. WE HAVE A LOT OF PIECEMEAL SIGNS OUT THERE FROM VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS. SO DOING THAT SURVEY OF THE EXISTING SIGNS, I THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT, AND APPROACHING THIS AS LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PLAN FOR OUR OVERALL DOWNTOWN AREA. OR MAYBE THERE'S OTHER AREAS, LIKE YOU SAY, THE PARK. AND THAT'S A GREAT IDEA ABOUT PLUGGING THEM INTO WHEN THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. I KNOW THE CITY I WORK IN, WHENEVER THERE'S LIKE A STREET PROJECT, YOU LOOK AROUND, YOU'RE LIKE, WOW, WHAT NEEDS SOME IMPROVEMENTS HERE? OH, THIS PARKING LOT IN THIS IN THIS PARK, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT SOME FUNDING THERE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO IDENTIFY THAT. AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'D MENTIONED SIGNAGE, BUT IT COULD BE A GOAL OR AN ACTION ITEM. YEAH, WE DEFINITELY HAVE OUR, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC DOWNTOWN CHAPTER. I THINK THIS COULD EASILY FIT IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO WAIT TWO YEARS TO KIND OF MOVE IT FORWARD, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY WRAP IT IN IF WE'RE DOING WORK ON, IT OBVIOUSLY BECOMES AN ONGOING ACTION ITEM, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO IMPLEMENT SIGNS EVERY FEW YEARS UNTIL OUR LIST IS EXHAUSTED. 
          YEAH. AND I WOULD THINK WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE WASHINGTON COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, WOULD BE IMPORTANT. AND WHEN THE CITY I WORK IN WAS PARTNERING WITH XCEL ENERGY FOR PARTNERS IN ENERGY, WHICH I THINK STILLWATER IS STILL PARTICIPATING IN. YEAH, THEY HELPED FUND SOME EDUCATIONAL SIGNS. SO JUST A LITTLE NOTE THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO HISTORY SIGNS, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. I'D BE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THIS NEW TASK FORCE OR WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING IT. I LOVE SIGNS. YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WHAT ARE WHAT WOULD YOU ASK IT FOR NEXT STEPS FROM US? IS THIS JUST A CONVERSATION OR TO KIND OF CONTINUE THE PROCESS FORWARD? IS THERE ANYTHING ACTIONABLE YOU WANT FROM US? I THINK I THINK I WAS JUST BRAINSTORMING THIS BEFORE THE MEETING. I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND KIND OF USE IT AS I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA SO FAR, SO WE SHOULD HAVE SOME TIME. WE COULD USE IT AS KIND OF A WORK SESSION AND MAYBE TALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE FIRST QUESTIONS AND KIND OF JUST BRAINSTORM SCOPE AND GET THAT LIST GOING. I'LL PROBABLY SEND OUT AN EMAIL BEFORE THAT TO GET PEOPLE THINKING AHEAD OF TIME. AND THEN PROBABLY SOME OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED POTENTIAL RESOURCES. START COMPILING THAT LIST SO WE COULD START FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT WOULD INVOLVE. LOWELL'S PROMPTED ME AND ENDORSED MY ENERGY AND KEEPING THIS MOVING FORWARD. SO AS MUCH AS WE CAN DO BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MONTH, I'D BE HAPPY TO KEEP WORKING ON. AND THEN AFTER COMING OUT OF THAT MEETING, IF THERE'S A SMALLER GROUP THAT WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, DEVOTE MORE TIME TO WORKING ON THEMES OR, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO CONSULTANTS, WE CAN CERTAINLY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL OF YOU, ALTHOUGH IT COULD BE IF YOU WANTED TO. ANYTHING YOU WANT. YEAH, YEAH. I'M, I'M LOUIS THOMPSON, THE, THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS IDEA IN AND I MADE A PRESENTATION IN 2022 TO THE 
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CITY COUNCIL. AND THEY WERE VERY POSITIVE AND SAID THIS WOULD BECOME OUR PRIORITY. BUT AS JASON HAS EXPLAINED, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED TO GET IN THE WAY OF THAT. AND THEN I APPEARED BEFORE THIS BODY IN 2023 WITH THAT SAME PROPOSAL, AND THIS WAS ENDORSED AND FORWARDED ON TO THE COUNCIL. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE HISTORY. WHAT I ENVISIONED WAS, AND THE REASON WAS I'M TIRED OF HEARING NEW ULM GET PRESS IN MINNEAPOLIS PAPER ABOUT SUCH A HISTORIC PLACE, WHEN THIS COMMUNITY IS MUCH MORE HISTORIC, HAS MANY MORE STORIES, WAS THE LARGEST CITY IN MINNESOTA AT ONE TIME. THERE WAS A STILLWATER BEFORE THERE WAS A MINNEAPOLIS AND ALL THIS STUFF THAT I'M SURE THIS BODY KNOWS. SO I THOUGHT STILLWATER HAD BEEN QUITE HUMBLE IN BRAGGING ABOUT ITS HISTORY AND. AND THE STORY OF STILLWATER. AND IT WAS 30/30 YEARS AGO THAT THE. I FORGET THE EXACT TITLE, BUT WE SEE MARKERS ON SOME OF THE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN THAT THEY'RE ACCEPTED AS A HISTORIC SITE, NATIONAL HISTORIC SITE. THAT WAS 30 YEARS AGO. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THE CITY HAS NOT, FRANKLY, DONE ANYTHING TO EXPAND BEYOND THAT AND TELL THE REAL STORY. SO WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THERE IS A STORY HERE. THERE'S THE FIRST SAWMILL LOCATION. WE OUGHT TO TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THAT. AT THE PLAZA AREA. WE HAD A OPERA HOUSE HERE. IF YOU IF YOU GOOGLE, YOU'LL SEE THE OPERA HOUSE CAME WAY BEFORE MINNEAPOLIS, SAINT PAUL OR MILWAUKEE, AND IT EVEN CAME BEFORE THE CHICAGO OPERA HOUSE AND SAINT LOUIS. SO. AND WORLD RENOWNED ENTERTAINERS APPEARED AT THAT OPERA HOUSE, BUFFALO BILL CODY. THEY APPEARED BEFORE THE KINGS AND QUEENS OF EUROPE, AND THEY APPEARED IN STILLWATER, THE ONLY PLACE IN THE MIDWEST. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF STORIES THAT STILLWATER HAS THAT I THOUGHT OUGHT TO BE TOLD. SO MY WHAT I ENVISIONED WAS PLAQUES. AND I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO ANOTHER FORM OF SIGNAGE OR MARKERS, BUT SOMETHING I ENVISION PLAQUES LIKE THE TERRITORIAL CENTENNIAL PLAQUE OR THE PLAQUE ON THE WARDEN'S HOUSE. THOSE ARE TRADITIONALLY HISTORIC LOOKING PLAQUES. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ALL OVER A COUPLE UP AT THE COURTHOUSE. EVEN MARINE HAS TWO BIG PLAQUES LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT ARE AHEAD OF STILLWATER. AND YET WE, I THINK, ARE THE MOST HISTORIC CITY IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND IN THE UPPER MIDWEST. ALSO THE MOST SCENIC, BY THE WAY. BUT THAT'S WHERE I WAS COMING FROM WHEN I MADE THIS PROPOSAL FOUR YEARS AGO. AND I'M A PRETTY PATIENT PERSON, SO I HAVEN'T RAISED ANY CANE OR GONE TO THE COUNCIL AS A FOLLOW UP. BUT I'M SO THANKFUL FOR THIS BODY TAKING IT UP TONIGHT AND FOR WHAT JASON HAS DONE TO BEGIN TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO GET GET SOME RESULTS HERE SO WE CAN TELL THE WORLD. AND I ENVISIONED. MARKERS THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE, NOT MARKERS HIDDEN UP IN THE HILLS AT SOMEBODY'S HISTORIC HOUSE. MAYBE WE'LL GET TO THAT SOMEDAY, BUT STRATEGIC LOCATIONS DOWNTOWN, SUCH AS I JUST MENTIONED, THE FIRST SAWMILL, THE OPERA HOUSE, AND MAYBE THE THE LOWLAND, WHICH IS AN ICONIC, AND ITS PREDECESSOR, THE SAWYER HOUSE. THAT'S AN ICONIC LODGING PLACE IN MINNESOTA. THERE ARE CERTAIN OF THESE THAT HAVE A STORY TO TELL, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MOTIVATED ME TO COME FORWARD WITH THIS IDEA. SO I JUST WANTED TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO YOU. AND I KNOW FITZY AND MATT HAVE. WE'RE ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT WE HAD THAT BEGAN TO DEVELOP SOME IDEAS. BUT TO ME, THE KEY RIGHT NOW IS, IS, IS A PROCESS FOR MOVING FORWARD AND THEN FINANCING. AND I THINK THE FINANCING CAN COME FROM STATE FUNDS. THE CITY OUGHT TO KICK IN SOME PROPERTY OWNERS. AND I CAN THINK OF ONE PROPERTY OWNER. OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CITY WHO MIGHT DONATE. I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME ANSWERS FOR SOME PRIVATE MONEY AS WELL. BUT SO THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR FINANCING. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT'S A CRITICAL PART OF THIS. SOMEBODY'S GOT TO PAY FOR IT. AND YOU MENTIONED WAS MR. THOMPSON ENVISIONING 
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PAYING FOR IT? THE ANSWER IS NO. I MIGHT CONTRIBUTE, BUT. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO CONVEY TO YOU. AND I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THERE ARE STORIES HERE IN STILLWATER THAT NEED TO BE TOLD AND VISIBLE. AND THAT MEANS TO ME, BASICALLY DOWNTOWN, THAT'S WHERE THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE PER YEAR, ACCORDING TO STATISTICS FROM THE CHAMBER AND EVERYTHING, VISIT, THEY DON'T GET UP ON THE HILL THAT MUCH. SO WE HAVE TO START BY HITTING THESE SPOTS DOWNTOWN. THAT'S REALLY WHERE OUR HISTORY IS. OUR STORY WAS THAT AS DEVELOPED FROM FOR THE LAST 150 200 YEARS, IT DOWN ALONG THE RIVER, THAT'S WHERE STILLWATER WAS BORN AND THAT'S WHERE MINNESOTA WAS BORN. SO ENOUGH FOR ME, BUT THAT'S WHY I'M A LITTLE EXCITED ABOUT THIS IDEA. QUITE EXCITED. SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THEM. BUT I WANTED TO. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE QUESTION. ARE YOU A HISTORIAN? PARDON? ARE YOU A HISTORIAN? NO. YOU HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE. I WENT TO STILLWATER HIGH SCHOOL. I WAS HONORED TO BE A DISTINGUISHED ALUMNA, STILLWATER HIGH SCHOOL TEN YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT. SO I THINK THIS IS MY HOMETOWN. THIS IS THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK A LOT OF YES, WE ARE. WE NEED TO START BRAGGING ABOUT IT, DON'T WE? ABSOLUTELY. I AGREE, YEAH, IT'S A GREAT IDEA. THANKS FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD. AND IT MATCHES OUR MISSION OF PUBLIC EDUCATION. ABOUT HISTORY HERE IN STILLWATER. SO YEAH, IT'S VERY MUCH WITH YOUR MISSION AND THE CITY, THE CITY PLAN. THE CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS SOME WONDERFUL STATEMENTS ABOUT CONVEYING STILLWATER'S HISTORY AND PRESERVING IT AND, AND MAKING IT VISIBLE TO THOSE WHO COME TO VISIT. AND THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS OF STILLWATER ARE NEW. WHEN I GREW UP IN STILLWATER, THERE WERE 7000 PEOPLE. NOW THERE'S 20,000. 
          THOSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY. AND SOME OF THE OLD ONES MY AGE EITHER ARE GONE OR PROBABLY DON'T REMEMBER. NEVER KNEW. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WE COULD EDUCATE ABOUT STILLWATER'S WONDERFUL STORIES. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FROM ME? OTHERWISE, WE'LL KIND OF PLAN ON TALKING ABOUT THIS AGAIN AT THE NEXT MEETING, AND I'LL SEND SOME EMAILS OUT AND SOLICIT SOME INFORMATION AND GET YOU THINKING IN THE MEANTIME. THANK YOU. SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE THE COUNCIL 
          [4. Council Liaison Report]
LIAISON REPORT. COUNCILMEMBER. YEAH. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. FIRST, THE CITY DID APPEAL THE CONDITIONS FOR SHODDY MILL AND BERGSTEIN, AND TWO OF THOSE WERE OVERTURNED. 
          ONE WAS THE RESUBMITTAL TO SHIPPO. WHAT STAFF IS GOING TO DO IS JUST SEND A COPY AS AN FYI, THAT HERE'S WHAT THE CITY IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS THE BIRD SAFE GLASS. AND IT'S KIND OF THE WAIT AND SEE APPROACH ON THAT. ONE OF WHAT HAPPENS, AND THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S GOING ON AT LUMBERJACK LANDING AS WELL. THE EDA MET YESTERDAY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN PROBABLY FOUR YEARS, AND THERE'S A POTENTIAL PROJECT THAT COULD GO INTO DOWNTOWN. IT'S IT'S IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THIS. AND I HAD TALKED TO DIRECTOR ZIMMERMAN ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE HPC IS BROUGHT IN RIGHT AWAY AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, IF IT IS TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR FOR YOUR VOICES TO BE HEARD AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE A PART OF THIS PROCESS. BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES, THEN WE'VE GOT THE LEVY HAS BEEN SET AS OF LAST NIGHT, 3.887% INCREASE. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS AT THE 2050 COMP PLAN SURVEY HAS RECENTLY COME OUT, AND I'M HOPING THAT STAFF WILL FORWARD IT TO EVERYBODY THAT'S UP HERE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. STAFF UPDATES. NOTHING MUCH TO ADD. I 
          [5. Staff Updates]
THINK COUNCILMEMBER COLLINS COVERED MOST OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. I THINK MOST OF YOU GOT TO MEET JULIE, OUR NEW CITY PLANNER. SHE'LL BE HELPING US OUT, ESPECIALLY WITH BEN OUT THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. BUT THEN OBVIOUSLY GOING FORWARD AS WELL, I WILL SEND OUT THE LINK TO THE COMP PLAN SURVEY. THERE'S SOME INTERACTIVE STUFF YOU CAN DO. 
          SOME OF IT IS LIKE A WIKIPEDIA. FILL OUT YOUR WIKIPEDIA PAGE FOR STILLWATER FOR THE YEAR 2050 AND WRITE WHAT THE CITY IS LIKE. SO SOME FUN EXERCISES THAT THIS GROUP MAY MAY BE RIGHT FOR, BUT SHARE IT WITH AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN THAT WILL STAY OPEN TILL THE END OF 
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THE YEAR. I THINK THAT IS ALL I THINK. CHAIR, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR YOUR POINT, I HAVE THAT SOMEWHERE AS WELL. SO THERE'S ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP TONIGHT THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH PROJECT CALLED LENS FLARE STILLWATER. 
          IT'S A GROUP THAT TEN YEARS AGO GOT A GRANT FOR THE STILLWATER COMMUNITY FOUNDATION'S GREAT IDEA PROJECT TO CREATE A A MULTIMEDIA TOUR OF STILLWATER THAT COULD BE DONE ON PHONE APPS AND AND BROWSERS. AND THEY CREATED SEVERAL TOURS OF STILLWATER AND THE RIVERFRONT AND THE RIVER ITSELF. AND IT'S IT'S BEEN A VERY COMMITTED GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE WORKED ON IT FOR TEN YEARS. AND THEY'VE DECIDED, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS A GOOD LIFESPAN FOR THEIR PROJECT, AND THEY'RE GOING TO WIND IT UP AT THE END OF OCTOBER. WE'VE ALREADY DONE OUR NORMAL ROUND OF HPC AWARDS FOR THIS YEAR, BUT GIVEN THAT THE PROJECT IS WINDING DOWN AND ALSO THAT IT IS NEXT MONTH IS THE CITY'S ANNUAL BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THIS GROUP WOULD WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE AND POTENTIALLY PASS A RESOLUTION GRANTING AN HPC AWARD TO THE LENS FLARE STILLWATER TEAM FOR THIS THIS WONDERFUL SERVICE THEY'VE DONE FOR US OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS OF OF TELLING THE TOWN STORY. SO I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN GET IT ON THE SCREEN, AVI WISE, BUT IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT BEFORE, BUT I GUESS THAT'S MY, MY PROPOSAL AND I'D STAND FOR QUESTIONS. THERE WE GO. SO THIS IS THEIR HOME PAGE IN CASE IT KIND OF JOGS YOUR MEMORY. BUT THEY THEY CREATED, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY, THEY TALKED WITH RETIRED MEMBERS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PUT TOGETHER A TOUR OF HOW THE, HOW THE FIRE RUNS IN CALL BOXES USED TO WORK AND TOURS OF THE STREETCAR ROUTES THROUGH TOWN AND SOME REALLY NEAT STUFF. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'RE LUCKY IN THIS TOWN TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO, WHO VOLUNTEER TO DO STUFF LIKE THIS. AND THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDING THAT THEY TOOK FROM THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, I BELIEVE, JUST WENT INTO THE COSTS OF THE SOFTWARE AND THE HOSTING AND, AND WHAT THEY HAD TO DO TO PUT IT TOGETHER. SO, SO ONCE THEY STOP DOING IT, HOW IS IT BEING HOSTED THEN IT'S GOING AWAY. OH, IT'S GOING AWAY PERIOD. YEAH. SO ALL THE WORK. YEAH. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEIR DECISION AND. YOU KNOW, I, I MET WITH ONE OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED LAST WEEK AND ENCOURAGED HIM TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO AT LEAST ARCHIVE IT. AND I THINK THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT. BUT I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD TO MAINTAIN SOFTWARE LICENSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO KEEP THESE THINGS GOING. AND I'M SURE THAT'S NOT AUTOMATIC. 
          THIS REALLY TIES INTO THE CONVERSATION WE WERE JUST HAVING ABOUT HISTORIC SIGNAGE AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, THANKFULLY, LOTS AND LOTS OF IMAGES OF HISTORIC STILLWATER. 
          AND I THINK IT CAN REALLY ENRICH THE EXPERIENCE OF VISITING HERE. TO BE ABLE TO STAND ON A STREET, LOOK ACROSS THE STREET, SEE WHAT'S THERE TODAY, AND HAVE A IMAGE OF WHAT WAS THERE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. AND YOU HAVE THE SENSE THAT MANY GENERATIONS HAVE LIVED HERE AND USED THESE STREETS, AND THAT'S AN ENRICHING EXPERIENCE. SO I, I THINK THIS IS GREAT AND MAYBE THERE'S WAYS TO ROLL THESE AND OTHER IMAGES INTO THE WORK SESSION THAT WE'LL HAVE NEXT TIME. I GUESS I WOULD MAYBE MAKE A MOTION THAT, AT LEAST FOR DISCUSSION, THAT WE. GRANT A SPECIAL HPC AWARD TO STILLWATER IN RECOGNITION OF PUBLIC EDUCATION AROUND STILLWATER HISTORY. I'M GLAD TO SECOND THAT. OKAY. DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE TIMELY JUST TO BRING IT IN MAY WHEN WE BRING THE. NORMALLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE. BUT SINCE THEY'RE WRAPPING UP THEIR PROJECT NEXT MONTH AND WE'VE SOMETIMES DONE AWARDS IN OCTOBER, AT THE TIME OF THE CITY'S BIRTHDAY, IT SEEMED TO ME, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SENSE TO MAYBE DO IT NOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE FEEL LIKE HOLDING IT TILL NEXT MAY'S OTHER AWARDS, WE COULD DO THAT TOO. IS THERE WOULD WE BE PRESENTING IT TO THEM HERE, OR WOULD WE BE ASKING THE COUNCIL WHO TYPICALLY. YEAH, NORMALLY IT'S AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU ENVISION HERE ALSO. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT. YEAH. I HAD MENTIONED 
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THIS LAST GO ROUND. WE SHOULD LOOK AT SOME SORT OF HISTORICAL EDUCATION AWARD. YEAH. I HAD NOMINATED THE TROLLEY COMPANY, BUT I LIKE THIS ONE BETTER. I KNOW THIS WASN'T IN YOUR PACKET TO BEGIN WITH. SO IF PEOPLE HAVE ANY QUALMS ABOUT THIS WHATSOEVER, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO PUT IT ON HOLD. SO, MR. CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUALMS WHATSOEVER. THIS HAS BEEN AN AMAZING PUBLIC SERVICE. WHAT I JUST HEARD WAS INTERESTING, GIVEN HOW MUCH THIS LEANS TOWARDS HISTORICAL EDUCATION, GIVEN HOW MUCH THEY'VE DONE IN THAT CATEGORY AND THAT IT'S PROBABLY SUPERLATIVE TO ANYTHING ELSE WE WOULD AWARD, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THIS BE THE INAUGURAL ITERATION OF SUCH AN AWARD? AN INTERESTING IDEA. I'VE NEVER SEEN THE SITE, SO I BET IT'S WONDERFUL. SO DO YOU HAVE TO PAY TO VIEW? NO, NO. IT'S FREE. 
          YEAH. OKAY. I THINK THEY THEY TOLD ME THEY WERE GETTING 5000 VISITS A MONTH AND DISCOVER STILLWATER WAS PROMOTING IT. I BETTER GET ON THERE QUICK. YEAH. IF WE. WELL, WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. YEAH. SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED. ANY ABSTENTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT PASSES. ONE OTHER THING I WILL JUST MENTION AS I'VE BEEN KIND OF GOING THROUGH MY STUFF FROM THE THE BIG NAPC CONFERENCE IN JULY BELATEDLY, IS I WENT TO A A HALF DAY SESSION ON FEMA DISASTER RESPONSE AND HISTORIC PLACES. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL NEVER NEED THAT. BUT ONE THING THAT THE ONE OF MY TAKEAWAYS OF THINGS THEY RECOMMENDED IS TO MAKE SURE YOUR INVENTORIES OF HISTORIC OF, OF ALL YOUR BUILDINGS ARE UP TO DATE BECAUSE THEY NEED THAT IN A HURRY TO BE ABLE TO DIRECT RELIEF AND RECOVERY IN, IN A MAJOR DISASTER SITUATION. AND IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE ANYTHING TO UPDATE OUR, OUR INVENTORIES AND, AND, AND 20 YEARS NOW, EXCEPT FOR THE DUTCH TOWN WORK THAT WE DID IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          AND SO WE MENTIONED CLG GRANTS EARLIER. AND ONE, THAT IDEA I JUST WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE FOR YOU ALL TO MULL OVER IS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO BE KEEPING OUR OUR INVENTORIES UP TO DATE FOR THAT SORT OF THING, IF NOTHING ELSE, OF HISTORIC SITES. SO MAYBE THAT'S A TOPIC WE CAN CONSIDER AT A FUTURE MEETING TO. I DID GET A DISASTER MANUAL. I'LL GIVE A COPY OF THAT TO STAFF. I ASSUME THERE'S SOME SHELF SOMEWHERE WITH STUFF TO DO IN DISASTER MATERIALS, BUT IT WAS A GOOD COUPLE OF DOCUMENTS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PUT TOGETHER ON, ON HOW TO HANDLE A DISASTER IN A HISTORIC AREA. SO THAT WAS THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION. I ALSO TOOK A SESSION ON HOW TO ADAPT THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS TO, YOU KNOW, OUR CHANGING CLIMATE AND WAYS TO LIKE CREATE FLOOD WALLS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE HISTORIC CHARACTER. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. 
          YEAH. SO WE'VE GOT IT. LET'S JUST HOPE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. TO ANYTHING ELSE. YES. SOMEBODY COULD MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN UNLESS THERE'S I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN THE MEETING. OKAY. 
          MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION BY SOMERS, SECOND BY MINO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.
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