Oct 20, 2026 City Council

ADDRESS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. WE NEED TO KNOW WHO

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ODEBRECHT HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER PAULINA HERE. MAYOR KOZLOWSKI HERE. AND WITH THAT, IF YOU'D ALL RISE AND JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MOVING ON. THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE

[1. Heritage Preservation Education Award for Lens Flare]

ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, BOB MOLENDA, A RETIRED THREE M CHEMIST, WAS INSPIRED BY JOHN RANK'S HISTORIC PHOTOS, AND BY HEARING RESIDENTS AND VISITORS WONDER ABOUT STILLWATER'S PAST, HE WON A $10,000 GRANT FROM THE STILLWATER AREA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION'S GREAT IDEA CONTEST TO DEVELOP THE LENS FLARE STILLWATER APP. AN ALL VOLUNTEER TEAM, HAS SINCE CREATED THE APP AND ALL OF ITS HISTORICAL CONTENT. THEY WERE INSPIRED BY JOHN RUNGE'S LEGACY.

JOHN RUNK WANTED NO MONEY FOR HIS COLLECTION AND GAVE IT AWAY FOR FREE TO THE STILLWATER LIBRARY AND HISTORICAL SOCIETY TO LEAVE PEOPLE SOMETHING BEHIND FOR THE PEOPLE OF STILLWATER AND THE SAINT CROIX VALLEY. I THINK WE KNOW THAT LADY IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH, THE THE LENS FLARE PROJECT PAIRED HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS WITH EACH SPOT'S EXACT GPS LOCATION SO THAT ANYONE COULD SEE WHAT A PLACE LOOKED LIKE THEN, AND COMPARE IT TO TODAY. THEIR PROJECT ALSO INCLUDED WRITTEN AND AUDIO NARRATIVES AND WAS AVAILABLE AT NO COST. THE PHOTOS CAME FROM THE WASHINGTON COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY, THE STILLWATER PUBLIC LIBRARY, AND THE MINNESOTA HISTORICAL SOCIETY. ON A WALK OR DRIVE THROUGH STILLWATER, THE APP SENSED WHEN YOU REACHED A HISTORIC SITE AND SHOWED A PHOTO, STORY, AUDIO OR VIDEO ABOUT IT. THE PROJECT GREW WELL PAST MAIN STREET, ADDING TOURS OF THE OLD STREETCAR LINES, THE LOOP TRAIL AND A FIRE STATION TOUR THAT MARKED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S 150TH ANNIVERSARY IN 2022. MANY OF THE BUILDINGS IN THESE PHOTOS ARE GONE, EITHER BURNED OR TORN DOWN, AND THE PROJECT COVERED AREAS OF WATERS PAST AND SPARKED CURIOSITY ABOUT HOW PEOPLE LIVED BACK THEN. AFTER A TEN YEAR RUN, THE LENS FLARE SITE AND APPS WILL BE SUNSET AT THE END OF THIS MONTH AND IN RECOGNITION OF OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENT AND A LOT OF GREAT WORK, WE, THE HPC, WANTED TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK THE VOLUNTEER TEAM THAT MADE THE PROJECT POSSIBLE. SO THANK YOU TO. I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT ARE HERE TONIGHT. SO I'D ASK YOU TO COME ON UP AND WE'LL RECOGNIZE YOU FOR THE FOR THE PROJECT.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE HAS A CAMERA, BUT MAYBE WE CAN. OKAY. OH, OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. DON'T BREAK THE CAMERA. OKAY. TED.

THERE YOU GO. WE GOT. AWESOME. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU AGAIN. THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? OUT OF ALL THE

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NO, THE REASON I CALLED THEM CATALYSTS. OKAY. I'M A CHEMIST. SO THEY'RE CATALYSTS. THAT MEANS THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE IN REACTION, BUT THEY'RE THEY ACCELERATE IT. OKAY. THAT'S THE WAY TO LOOK AT IT. AND SO WHAT YOU GUYS DID TO ME, BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING SOME PROBLEMS WHEN WE GOT STARTED, BUT SOMETIMES JUST THE ENCOURAGING WORD MEANS THE WORLD TO A TEAM, A TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING SOMETHING NEW. THERE WAS ONLY ONE OTHER PLACE IN THE WORLD THAT DID WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO, AND IT WAS FROM PALESTINE, AND WE TRIED TO USE THEIR SOFTWARE. WE COULDN'T AFFORD IT, SO WE HAD TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND WE WENT TO BOB BULLOCK, WHO'S IN TEXAS RIGHT NOW, BUT HE'S THE GUY WHO WROTE THE SOFTWARE. HE JUST LIVES, YOU KNOW, NORTH OF HERE IN TOWN AND STILLWATER. AND, AND HE WROTE THE SOFTWARE FOR WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE WHAT HE'S THE ENGINE FOR, WHAT WE'RE USING FOR THE TOUR. AND IT'LL WORK ANYWHERE.

ANYWAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME. YOU GOT A BIG AGENDA TODAY. I WISH WISH YOU LOTS OF LUCK. WE LOVE THE WORK. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND I'VE GOTTEN A TON OF COMMENTS ABOUT IT. AND PEOPLE ARE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE WASHINGTON COUNTY LAND AND

[2. Washington County Land and Water Legacy Program]

ALL OF THE IMAGES ARE FROM THE PROGRAM, SO AS MUCH AS I COULD TELL YOU, I THINK IT'S BETTER IF I SHOW YOU. SO TRY TO LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT ALSO TAKE IN THE BEAUTIFUL VISTAS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY. SO HOW DID WE USE THAT MONEY TO ACTUALLY PROTECT NATURAL RESOURCES IN WASHINGTON COUNTY? WELL, FIRST WE EXPENDED IT ACCORDING TO STATE STATUTE, AS WE ALWAYS TRY TO DO AT THE COUNTY AND PROTECT LAND THROUGH ACQUISITION. WE DO THAT AT THE COUNTY IN TWO WAYS. FIRST, WE ACQUIRE LAND FOR OUR COUNTY PARKS. SO WE BUY LAND OUTRIGHT

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THIS IS A FUND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR ACQUISITION, FOR PROTECTION. A COMMON QUESTION WE GET IS, WELL, GEEZ, ARE THERE ANY OTHER FUNDS INVOLVED IN THESE ACQUISITIONS? AND THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS YES. SO FOR OUR PARKS ACQUISITIONS, WE ARE ALWAYS LEVERAGING MET COUNCIL DOLLARS. THEY GIVE US A HEFTY MATCH FOR ANYTHING THAT WE SPEND ON REGIONAL PARKS.

ACQUISITIONS AND CONSERVATION. EASEMENTS ARE A BIT OF A MORE CASE BY CASE BASIS, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPES OF PARTNERS WE'RE WORKING WITH AND WHERE THE LAND IS LOCATED. SOME OF OUR FREQUENT FLIERS IN TERMS OF FUNDING PARTNERSHIP ARE THE MINNESOTA DNR. WE ARE ALMOST ALWAYS WORKING WITH THE MINNESOTA LAND TRUST. WE HAVE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE BELL AND CONSERVANCY. WE'VE DONE MANY, MANY PROJECTS WITH OUR CITY PARTNERS, STILLWATER INCLUDED, AMONG OTHERS. AND WE'RE IN OUR 20TH YEAR OF THE PROGRAM. SO WHAT HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED? THIS NUMBER IS THESE NUMBERS ARE SLIGHTLY OUT OF DATE BECAUSE WE JUST CLOSED ON OUR LAST PROJECT LAST MONTH, BUT WE HAVE PROTECTED OVER 1900 ACRES THROUGHOUT WASHINGTON COUNTY. THAT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO 54 PROJECTS NOW, WHICH WOULD BE 30 EASEMENTS AND 29 PARKS ACQUISITIONS. AND THAT HAS ALLOWED US TO LEVERAGE A LOT OF MONEY. SO WHILE WE HAD AN ORIGINAL $20 MILLION BOND, WE'VE ACTUALLY INVESTED OVER $53 MILLION WITH THE SUPPORT OF ALL OF OUR PARTNERS. SO TO GIVE YOU A BIT OF A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THAT PROTECTION WORK ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE, WE'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF HOW THOSE PARKS ACQUISITIONS WORK.

SO SINCE 2006, WE'VE ACQUIRED 871 ACRES INTO THE WASHINGTON COUNTY REGIONAL PARKS THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS LIST IN FRONT OF YOU. MAYBE FIND YOUR FAVORITE PARK AND SEE HOW MUCH ACREAGE WE'VE ACQUIRED FOR THAT ONE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. AND FOLKS OFTEN WANT TO KNOW, WELL, HOW DO WE IDENTIFY WHICH LAND WE'RE GOING TO PURCHASE FOR PARKS? AND THERE'S A VERY SPECIFIC PROCESS THAT WE WORK THROUGH TO DO THIS. WE ONLY WORK WITH WILLING LANDOWNERS WHO ARE WANTING TO SELL, AND THOSE PROJECTS ARE IDENTIFIED AS ELIGIBLE IF THEY ARE PART OF WHAT WE CALL OUR PARKS MASTER PLANS. THOSE MASTER PLANS ARE LONG RANGE PLANS THAT ARE DEVELOPED BY THE COUNTY WITH IMMENSE STAKEHOLDER AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THEY ARE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY BOARD AS WELL AS THE MET COUNCIL. AND WITHIN THOSE PLANS, WE HAVE A BOUNDARY THAT IDENTIFIES. THIS IS ULTIMATELY WHERE THE PLANT OR THE PARK CAN EXPAND TO. IF A PARCEL AND SOMEONE APPROACHES US AND SAYS, HEY, I'M IN THAT LINE, I'D LIKE TO SELL TO THE COUNTY, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. AND IF YOU'D LIKE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE. A GOOD ONE IS FOR OUR PINE POINT PARK, WHICH IS IN STILLWATER TOWNSHIP. THIS IS CALLED THE BRANSON PROJECT, AND IT WAS ROUGHLY 50 ACRES AT THE COUNTY ACQUIRED FOR PINE POINT PARK JUST SIX YEARS AGO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A TEN MINUTE DRIVE FOR ANYONE IN THIS ROOM FROM HERE AND MAYBE WHERE YOU MIGHT SEE A MOVIE STAR, MOST RECENTLY FILMING A MOVIE SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. BUT BEYOND IT BEING A SUPREME MOVIE FILMING LOCATION, IT'S A WONDERFUL REGIONAL PARK WITH PINE FOREST, LAKES AND MARSHES. IT'S GOT OVER FIVE MILES OF MULTI-USE TRAILS AND BECAME A REGIONAL PARK IN 2005. AND AS I THINK MOST FOLKS KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE TRAILHEADS FOR THE GATEWAY STATE TRAIL. CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ARE THE OTHER ARM OF OUR PROGRAM. SO I THINK AS OF LAST NIGHT, WHEN WE WERE HAVING THE SAME PRESENTATION, IT'S ABOUT 1070 ACRES HAVE NOW BEEN PROTECTED THROUGH WASHINGTON COUNTY CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AS OF SEPTEMBER 202 OF THOSE ACRES WERE ACTUALLY PROTECTED IN OUR WHAT WAS CALLED OUR PURCHASE OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS PROGRAM. THAT PROGRAM IS THE PREDECESSOR TO LAND WATER LEGACY AND WAS REALLY THE THE BEGINNING OF THE COUNTY DETERMINING THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR FOLKS THAT WANT TO PROTECT THEIR LAND IN PERPETUITY. WE NEED A WAY TO DO IT. AND THAT REALLY PRECIPITATED THE NEED FOR THE 2006 BOND. SINCE 2006, WE'VE ADDED 851 ACRES OR 870 ISH ACRES THROUGH THE LAND WATER LEGACY PROGRAM. AGAIN, A CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS A LEGAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE LANDOWNER AND THE COUNTY, AND IT JUST FOREVER RESTRICTS HOW THAT LAND CAN BE USED. AND WE DO THAT TO PROTECT THE NATURAL FEATURES OF THAT LAND. IF WE ARE WORKING WITH A PRIVATE LANDOWNER AND THEY ARE INTENDING TO STAY ON AND LIVING ON THAT LAND, THEY HAVE A HOME. WE TYPICALLY KIND OF EXCLUDE THE BOUNDARY AROUND THE HOME SO THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, LIVE IN PEACE. IF WE'RE WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC LANDOWNER LIKE WE HAVE WITH THE CITY OF STILLWATER, TYPICALLY THAT MEANS THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE VACATING THE PROPERTY AND THE COMMUNITY HAS OTHER PLANS FOR THE HOME, ETC. AND PEOPLE OFTEN WANT TO. WELL, HOW DO WE IDENTIFY THOSE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS SIMILAR TO OUR PARKS ACQUISITIONS? WE WORK WITH WILLING LANDOWNERS TO PURCHASE THOSE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND AND PROTECT THAT LAND THROUGH THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. AGAIN, WE WORK WITH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE OWNERS. SO EACH EASEMENT IS SPECIALIZED TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AND THE NEEDS OF THOSE FOLKS. SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT READY TO LEAVE IMMEDIATELY. IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER. SO WE HAVE SOME SORT OF LEASING AGREEMENT, BUT IT'S ALL MEANT WITH THE INTENT TO PROTECT ULTIMATELY THAT LAND. PROBABLY A VERY FAMILIAR EXAMPLE OF THIS, YOU MAY NOT KNOW, I PULL, AS WE CALL IT, OR LUMBERJACK LANDING IS IS OFFICIALLY CALLED, HAS A

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AND HERE'S A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE OF IT. SO NOW THAT I'VE EXPLAINED EXACTLY HOW THIS PROGRAM WORKS, YOU MAY BE WONDERING ABOUT OUR BOND REFERENDUM, WHICH IF YOU HAVEN'T VOTED YET, YOU WILL SEE ON YOUR BALLOT THIS FALL. I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT PROCESS, SINCE YOU DON'T EASILY COME UPON A BOND REFERENDUM IF YOU'RE WORKING IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. LAST FALL, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THE COUNTY CONTRACTED WITH A GROUP CALLED THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND FOR FEASIBILITY RESEARCH AND ULTIMATELY, RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT A 2026 BOND REFERENDUM WOULD BE ADVISABLE. SO TPL, AS WE CALL THEM WITH THE SUPPORT OF STAFF, COMPLETED A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO ASSESS FUNDING OPTIONS. AND THEY ALSO PAID FOR A PRIVATELY FUNDED PUBLIC OPINION SURVEY TO GAUGE VOTER SUPPORT FOR 2026 BOND REFERENDUM. THAT FEASIBILITY RESEARCH REALLY LOOKED AT OUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDING OPTIONS AND WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNTY IS FINANCIALLY HEALTHY ENOUGH TO CARRY SOMETHING LIKE A BOND REFERENDUM. THE ANALYSIS OF EACH OF THOSE COMPONENTS RESULTED IN A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT WAS ADVISABLE TO PLACE A BOND REFERENDUM ON THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT FOR THIS YEAR. SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE FUNDING MECHANISM WOULD BE THE SAME AS IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO, WHICH IS A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND. AND THE AMOUNT WOULD BE INCREASED FROM WHAT WE DID 20 YEARS AGO. WE WOULD DOUBLE IT. SO THAT WOULD BE $40 MILLION. AND YOUR COUNTY BOARD IS ALWAYS WANTING TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND EXPLAIN WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO THE TAXPAYERS, SINCE WE KNOW THAT THIS COULD SEEM AND FEEL LIKE A LARGE ASK. SO WE ALWAYS PROVIDE OUR BALLPARKS HERE OF HOW DOES THIS IMPACT ME AND MAYBE AS A HOMEOWNER. SO FOR THE FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD, IF YOU HAVE CLOSE TO A MEDIAN ESTIMATED MARKET VALUE ON YOUR HOME OF $420,900, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU ABOUT $25 PER YEAR. WE ALSO INCLUDED SOME DIFFERENT AG ESTIMATES ON THERE FOR OUR FARMER FRIENDS. SINCE WE KNOW THAT AG PROPERTY TAX IS INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED AND NOT QUITE ONE FOR ONE, LIKE YOUR RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD TAX. A HOT TIP OF PIECE OF INSIDER KNOWLEDGE HERE FOR YOU IS THAT THESE ESTIMATES ARE BASED ON IF WE WERE TO ISSUE ALL OF $40 MILLION OF OUR BONDS ALL AT ONCE, AND WHILE I'M REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF THIS PROGRAM, AND I THINK I'M REALLY GOOD AT MY JOB, WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT BECAUSE WE CAN'T SIMPLY SPEND $40 MILLION IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. IT TOOK US 20 YEARS TO SPEND $20 MILLION. SO THE COUNTY TYPICALLY ISSUES THOSE BONDS AS WE NEED THEM IN ABOUT 5 TO $7 MILLION AMOUNTS. SHOULD THIS REFERENDUM PASS, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING AS WELL, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT THE AVERAGE IMPACT TO YOUR PROPERTY TAXES WOULD BE LOWER. HOWEVER, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOUR COUNTY BOARD THAT WE WENT FULL TRANSPARENCY, KIND OF LIKE A WORST CASE SCENARIO. WHAT WOULD IT BE LIKE JUST SO THAT NO ONE FELT SURPRISED? SHOULD IT PASS AND YOU RECEIVE YOUR PROPERTY TAX STATEMENT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS? SO WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE REFERENDUM ITSELF? THE PURPOSES ARE VIRTUALLY THE SAME AS WHAT PASSED AT 20 YEARS AGO TO IMPROVE WATER QUALITY OF RIVERS, LAKES AND STREAMS, INCLUDING THE SAINT CROIX AND MISSISSIPPI RIVERS. PROTECTING DRINKING WATER SOURCES, PRESERVE WETLANDS AND WOODLANDS, PROTECT LAND ALONG WATER BODIES FROM DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVE NATURAL AREAS, PURCHASED PARKLANDS AND PROTECT WILDLIFE HABITAT. AND THEN ALWAYS, AS WE'RE ASKING FOLKS TO SPEND THEIR PERSONAL MONEY ON THIS AND HOW WE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE TAXPAYER, WE INCLUDE OUR ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY DOES ANYWAYS, WHICH IS OUR WE WOULD LIMIT THOSE THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS JUST TO THOSE PURPOSES OUTLINED IN THE REFERENDUM. AND WE'D HAVE FULL DISCLOSURE OF ALL OF OUR SPENDING AS WE DO ANYWAYS. WE DO A PUBLIC AUDIT IS WHERE THE COUNTY AND THE TIMING WOULD BE JUST IN A FEW WEEKS HERE ON THE NOVEMBER 3RD GENERAL ELECTION. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU PULL IT ALL TOGETHER. IF YOU VOTED, YOU SAW THIS ON YOUR BALLOT ALREADY. I WILL NOT READ IT TO YOU, BUT I WILL EMPHASIZE IT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS WHAT WE DID 20 YEARS AGO WITH A FEW KEY CHANGES OF WE ADDED TO CONTINUE JUST SO THAT FOLKS, IF THEY WERE LIKE, IS THAT LAND WATER LEGACY? THEY GOT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS. AND WE ADDED IN SOME SPECIFICITY, LIKE THE SAINT CROIX, MISSISSIPPI RIVER, SO THAT PEOPLE COULD KIND OF UNDERSTAND AT LEAST SOME OF THE TYPES OF WATER BODIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN, AS ALWAYS, IT'S STILL IMPORTANT TO THE COUNTY BOARD TO INCLUDE WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR ME? SO I INCLUDED THAT LITTLE ESTIMATE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BALLOT LANGUAGE. YOU WILL SEE THAT WHEN YOU VOTE ON YOUR ON YOUR BALLOT. AND WITH THAT, MR. CHAIR, MR. MAYOR, I'M READY FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY HAS ANY. AWESOME. NO, THAT WAS GREAT, EMILY. THANK YOU. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS PROGRAM HAS CERTAINLY BENEFITED THE CITY OF STILLWATER. SO I, I HOPE THE VOTERS APPROVE IT. BUT IT'S TOUGH TIMES RIGHT NOW. SO, YOU KNOW, BEST OF LUCK. I THINK IT DOES BENEFIT THE CITY OF STILLWATER GREATLY TO HAVE YOU GUYS. AND THE HELP WITH LUMBERJACK LANDING WAS WAS MASSIVE. I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT PROJECT ON OUR OWN. SO THAT'S AN ASSET THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY FOR MANY GENERATIONS. NOW AT THIS POINT, THAT THAT WAS ALWAYS PRIVATE BEFORE. SO YEAH, IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I WAS

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IT'S. WHEN I STARTED WITH THIS COUNTY, THERE WAS NOTHING, HARDLY ANYTHING. NOW WHERE IT WAS ALL OPEN. OPEN SPACE IS NOW HOUSES. AND I CAN REMEMBER WHEN WE STARTED LAKE ELMO PARK RESERVE AND OVER IN MINNEAPOLIS AND THE GUY, THE THEODORE WIRTH SAID, JUST REMEMBER THE DAY WHEN THERE'S MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LIVING HERE. IF WE DON'T PRESERVE THESE LANDS NOW, IT'LL NEVER BE PRESERVED. WE. WASHINGTON COUNTY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB PRESERVING LAND THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTY. SO SOMEDAY, WHEN THIS IS ALL HOUSES OUT HERE, THEY'LL KNOW WHAT IT DID LOOK LIKE. AND WE. AND WE'RE LEAVING THIS COUNTY IN A BETTER PLACE THAN WE THAN WE STARTED. SO MY $0.02. IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. VOTE YES, IN MY OPINION. IN MY OPINION. SO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AWESOME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A COUNCIL

[3. Council Service Award for Ed Nelsen (Human Rights Commission)]

[4. Deputy Public Works Director]

IT'S REALLY FUN. THE KIDS LIKE HAVE A BALL CLIMBING ON TRUCKS AND SEEING THE BIG SNOWPLOWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. PLEASE, CHIEF. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

[5. Police Chief]

LAMMERS. IT'S GOING TO HOUSE ALL OF OUR POLICIES WITHIN THAT MUCH MORE EASIER FOR THE OFFICERS TO ACCESS ACCESS ON THE STREET, UTILIZING AN APP. AND THEN WHAT IT WILL PULL AWAY MAKES THEM MUCH MORE EASIER TO TO READ AND NAVIGATE AND TO UTILIZE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS FOLLOWING OUR POLICY. AND IT'LL SEPARATE THAT FROM KIND OF OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, WHICH WILL BE HOUSED SEPARATELY, BUT IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO GET THROUGH THAT. AND IT'S JUST A LONG PROCESS. CAPTAIN MEREDITH IS NAVIGATING AND JUST A GREAT UPDATE. THERE WERE 75% DONE WITH THAT. SO AWESOME. THANK YOU. THANKS, JESSE. DO YOU WANT TO GET THE THAT'S THE SLIDE DECK. YES. OKAY, COOL. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN FIRE CHIEF,

[6. Fire Chief]

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[7. Finance Director]

[8. Community Development Director]

AND THEN OUR ONLINE. I JUST GOT AN UPDATE TODAY. WE'VE HAD OVER 100 SURVEYS TAKEN, AND OVER 80 PEOPLE HAVE FILLED OUT THEIR DIGITAL MAP. SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO OUTREACH. AND THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS MEETING ON WEDNESDAY TO START LOOKING AT THOSE RESULTS AND KIND OF SEE WHAT THEMES MIGHT BE BUBBLING UP ALONG THOSE LINES. I JUST WAS INFORMED WE DID RECEIVE A $40,000 MET COUNCIL GRANT FOR SMALL CITY PLANNING ASSISTANCE, WHICH WILL GO TOWARDS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORK. SO THAT'S GOOD. AND THEN LASTLY, CHICK FIL A HAS THEIR GRAND OPENING THIS THURSDAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, JASON. AND ALSO, I KNOW WE HAD SOMEONE SPEAK AT OUR OPEN FORUM AT OUR LAST MEETING THAT ASKED THAT WE LIKE LOOK AT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE COMMUNITY THREAD. AND THEN I WAS PLEASED TO SEE MY, MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER WENT UP TO ONE OF THEIR EVENTS AT COMMUNITY THREAD AND SAW THAT OUR COMP PLAN UPDATE STUFF WAS BEING PROMOTED BY COMMUNITY THREADS. SO I APPRECIATE THE SUGGESTION FROM THE PUBLIC AND THANK YOU FOR GETTING THAT DONE SO QUICKLY. ALL RIGHT. ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.

[9. Administrative Services Director]

[10. City Clerk]

[11. City Attorney]

FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THERE WAS ONE ADDITIONAL LATE ADDITION TO YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT. THERE WAS A LAST MINUTE REVIEW OF A PARKING LOT CONTRACT. AS YOU KNOW, I'M VERY GETTING VERY DILIGENT ABOUT MAKING SURE WE HAVE LEASE AGREEMENTS, GETTING SOME COMPENSATION FOR CITY RESOURCES. THIS WAS KIND OF AN IMPORTANT PROJECT, THOUGH, AS I WAS POINTED OUT TO ME THERE, MNDOT IS CONTRACTING WITH A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR TO FIX THE LIFT BRIDGE. AND SO THEY DO NEED A FEW SPACES FROM LOT NUMBER TWO WHILE THEY DO THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WELL, THAT ACTUALLY IS A WORTHY CAUSE. PLEASE FIX THE LIFT BRIDGE. SO THE REASON THAT I BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION IS BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF A LONG TERM RENTAL OF OUR PARKING LOT.

SO IT WILL AFFECT WORLD SNOW BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IN PLACE DURING WORLD SNOW FROM NOW UNTIL FEBRUARY. SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE THAT THAT THAT AGREEMENT WAS ADDED TO YOUR AGENDA, BUT THE CONTRACTORS AGREED TO IT. MNDOT HAS REVIEWED IT, AND WE WILL BE GETTING SOME COMPENSATION FOR THE USE OF THOSE PARKING SPACES. AWESOME. SECONDLY, ALTHOUGH

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CONTRACTS WERE ON THAT AGENDA, LICENSES WERE BEING APPROVED. BUSINESSES WERE WERE WAITING ON APPROVAL OF THAT AGENDA. SO THE COUNCIL DID RECONVENE. THEY ADOPTED THE CONSENT AGENDA. I BELIEVE THAT THE CONSENT AGENDA WAS ADOPTED APPROPRIATELY AND LEGALLY. HOWEVER, I ALSO DON'T LIKE BEING SUED OR BEING TOLD BY THE DATA PRACTICES OFFICE THAT WE DID SOMETHING WRONG. SO JUST A BELT AND SUSPENDERS. I RECOMMENDED THAT THE CONSENT AGENDA BE RECONFIRMED ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. THAT THEN WILL YOU'LL BE APPROVING IT TWICE. SO DOUBLY APPROVED. AS I SAID, BELT AND SUSPENDERS. THERE'LL BE NOTHING TO ARGUE ABOUT. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT. GOTCHA. THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU, COREY AND CITY ADMINISTRATOR.

[12. City Administrator]

SO IT'S BEEN SUPER HELPFUL TO GATHER THAT FEEDBACK. SO WE ALWAYS WELCOME THAT. AND WE HAVE THAT DEDICATED EMAIL ADDRESS FOR PEOPLE TO PROVIDE THEIR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.

WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER, WE GET A BETTER OUTCOME. AND SO THAT WAS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 4TH. BUT WE WILL SEND OUT CONFIRMATIONS, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE SCHEDULING AND EVERY COORDINATION WORKS. IT'S WEDNESDAY, THE FOURTH. WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 4TH. YEP.

RIGHT. BECAUSE THE THIRD SELECTION DATE. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. JOE, DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THE CONSENT AGENDA? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEEN IN 14 YEARS WHERE WE'VE HAD A TON OF EMAILS ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WHAT IT IS AND, AND HOW IT GETS DETERMINED. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT QUICK? SURE. YEAH. I'LL GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW. SO BASICALLY IT'S TYPICALLY ROUTINE BUSINESS. I GUESS IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR TONIGHT, IT'S LIKE A WATER SOFTENER INSTALLATION. IT'S REPAIRS TO A WELL HOUSE AND A DRIVEWAY REPLACEMENT, A SANITARY SEWER FORCE MAIN. IT'S DIFFERENT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT WE ENTER INTO THAT TYPICALLY DOESN'T TAKE UP A LOT OF DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE PROVIDE EFFECTIVELY ALL THE INFORMATION AND THE COVER MEMO AND THE ATTACHED DOCUMENTS. SO IT'S JUST STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO GET APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR OUR PURCHASING

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WE ROUTINELY PULL ITEMS OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND HAVE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ABOUT THEM, OR ASK STAFF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. IF THERE'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY AS A COUNCIL, WE'RE DOING THIS. WE GET THE PACKET ON FRIDAY JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. AND SO WE ALL READ THE PACKET, REVIEW IT. AND THEN BASICALLY MY MONDAYS AND TUESDAYS ARE GOING THROUGH THOSE THINGS AND SEEING IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN REACHING OUT TO STAFF. THAT'S TYPICALLY ALSO WHEN THE PUBLIC IS THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY GET OUR AGENDAS. THEY USUALLY EMAIL ME OR THEIR COUNCIL REP OR CITY STAFF DIRECTLY. LIKE IF ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC HAS QUESTIONS LIKE THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, IT'S BEST TO CALL OR EMAIL YOUR COUNCIL REP OR ME OR CITY STAFF DIRECTLY AND TRY AND GET THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED. IS THE PROCESS TO DO IT. BECAUSE, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, THIS MEETING ISN'T SET UP FOR A BIG Q&A OR PUBLIC DISCUSSION, RIGHT? LIKE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE COUNCIL REPS AND A MAYOR, SO WE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WITH YOU GUYS DIRECTLY. SO IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT ALWAYS FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT, EMAIL, CALL, TEXT. ALL OF OUR NUMBERS ARE OUT THERE ON THE WEBSITE. AND I'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS AND THE PROCESS SEEMS TO BE WORKING. SO THANK YOU FOR

[VI. CONSENT AGENDA FROM OCTOBER 6, 2026 MEETING]

[25. Professional Services Agreement with Urban SDK]

BUT WITH THAT, JESSIE IS HERE THE MAN TO EXPLAIN WHAT THIS TOOL IS USED FOR IN PUBLIC WORKS. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO THIS IS ABOUT URBAN SDK. URBAN SDK PROVIDES INFORMATION ON VEHICLE MOVEMENTS. IN SHORT. AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AT ANY POINT IN TIME, MY PHONE NUMBER AND EMAIL IS WIDELY AVAILABLE. I'M HAPPY TO GO IN DEPTH WITH ANYTHING. SO IT STARTS WITH THE CITY OF STILLWATER'S COMMITMENT TO IMPROVING PUBLIC SAFETY. WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING DATA IT SINCE 1957, STARTED WITH JUST VEHICLE VOLUMES. IN 2022, WE STARTED IN ADDITION TO VEHICLE VOLUMES ON CERTAIN STREETS. WE'VE ALSO STARTED DOING SOME SPEED DATA COLLECTION. JESSE FROM THE 1957. ARE THOSE THE LITTLE LINES THAT YOU PUT ACROSS THE ROAD THAT WE SEE ON THE STREETS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE? MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

YES. SO WHEN THEY FIRST CAME OUT, THEY COULD JUST COUNT, RIGHT? BUT AS THEY GOT MORE ADVANCED, THEY COULD TRACK VEHICLE SPEED AS WELL. GOTCHA. SO YEAH, IN 2022, WE EXPANDED TO COLLECT SPEED DATA THAT WAS REALLY JUST ON KIND OF A REACTIVE MEASURE WHEN THERE'S SPEEDING CONCERNS OR CONCERNED CITIZENS. SO WE'VE DONE THAT SINCE 2022. THE COUNCIL UNDERWENT AND STAFF WENT UNDERWENT A SPEED LIMIT STUDY. WE STARTED THAT IN 2022 AND WRAPPED THAT UP LAST YEAR. ONE THING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS AN UPDATED SPEED LIMIT POLICY, WHERE THE COUNCIL ADOPTED RESIDENTIAL SPEED LIMITS OF 25MPH IN MOST PARTS OF OF THE CITY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNTY ROADS AND STATE AND STATE HIGHWAY 95. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OUT, ONE OUTFLOW OF THAT WAS JUST TO CONTINUE IMPLEMENTING BOTH SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM SOLUTIONS. SO THAT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS ADDING A SPEED LIMIT SIGN. IT TAKES A VARIETY. EVERY NOW AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION GIVEN TO TRAFFIC. IF THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT, THERE'LL BE A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT DO ROAD CONSTRUCTION AND THEN IT CHANGES TRAFFIC PATTERNS KIND OF THING, RIGHT? LIKE THIS CAN HELP US GET LIKE START THAT THOSE ISSUES OUT. YES. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH OLIVE STREET BEING CLOSED THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE

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URBAN SDK, WE'VE USED THAT. THIS IS A RENEWAL. SO WE'VE HAD IT FOR ABOUT A YEAR. AND THEN WE HAD A FREE PILOT VERSION OF IT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. SO JUST GOING BACK TO TRAFFIC VOLUMES, THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE. IF WE COLLECT THAT AT LEAST EVERY FOUR YEARS AND WE SUBMIT THAT TO MNDOT, THAT HELPS WITH FUNDING ALLOCATIONS. MOST STREET PROJECTS ARE PAID FOR BY STILLWATER TAXPAYERS, BUT WE DO GET STATE AID FUNDS FROM THE GAS TAX. AND SOME OF THAT CRITERIA IS BASED ON HOW MUCH TRAFFIC YOUR STREETS HAVE.

TRAFFIC CLOUD. THAT'S SOMETHING WE USE EVERY NOW AND THEN. YOU MIGHT SEE A DYNAMIC SPEED SIGN IN TOWN. USUALLY THAT'S BECAUSE A CONCERNED RESIDENT HAS CALLED ATTENTION TO, HEY, THERE'S SPEEDING HERE. AND SO WE'LL PUT OUT THAT SIGN EDUCATES DRIVERS. AND THEN IT ALSO COLLECTS DATA ON SPEED VIA RADAR. SO WE CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, A STAFF MEMBER GOES AND PUTS IT OUT AND INSTALLS IT. SOMETIMES WE PUT IT OUT FOR TWO WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS. WE COLLECT THAT DATA.

LOTS OF TIMES WE GET SIMILAR CONCERNS AND SIMILAR LOCATIONS. SO WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE YEARS OF DATA NOW FOR A NUMBER OF LOCATIONS. URBAN SDK THAT ALLOWS VIEWING OF DATA THAT IS COLLECTED FROM NEWER VEHICLES. SO ABOUT 25% OF VEHICLES THROUGH THE SOFTWARE TELEMATICS WITHIN THE VEHICLE. IT PROVIDES THAT INFORMATION TO SOFTWARE COMPANIES, PERHAPS THE VEHICLE MANUFACTURERS. SO WHAT IS THAT? SO IT'S ANONYMOUS DATA COLLECTED VIA VEHICLES. SO THIS DATA IS BEING COLLECTED EVERYWHERE. WHAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD ABOUT URBAN SDK IS EXPLAINED TO US IS THAT THERE'S NO PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION. SO PII THERE'S NO PII COLLECTED AS PART OF THIS. SO IT'S THE SPEED OF THE VEHICLE AND THE LOCATION. SO WHAT URBAN SDK DOES IS THEY, THEY BUY THAT ANONYMIZED DATA, THEY ORGANIZE IT. AND THEN AND THEY HAVE CONTRACTS, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ACROSS THE STATE. AND THEY ORGANIZE THAT DATA, PUT IT ON, PUT IT INTO A USER INTERFACE THAT ENGINEERS CAN LOOK AT AND GET MORE INFORMATION ON SPEED DATA THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND SO WE VIEW THAT SPEED AND VOLUME INFORMATION. IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT THAT THAT'S IT'S KIND OF LIKE A HEAT MAP. BUT THE IMAGE THERE IS RIGHT FROM THE URBAN SDK DESKTOP, AND THAT'S EAGLE RIDGE JUST NORTH OF HIGHWAY 12 OR MYRTLE AS IT HEADS OUT OF TOWN, RIGHT BY JC FIELDS AND THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED SEGMENT, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THE SPEED IS THROUGH THERE. AND SO WE CAN LOOK AT SPEED WEEKDAYS, WEEKENDS, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. WE CAN GO BACK IN TIME AND LOOK INTO 2024. IT'S CURRENT. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE DATA FROM SEPTEMBER OF 2026. SO THE INFORMATION IS USEFUL. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE DOING. WE CONSIDER IT A TOOL AND DATA SO THAT WE CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS FOR PEOPLE. PERFECT. AWESOME. THANK YOU.

JESSE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR JESSE? JUST NOT TO CLUB IT BEAT A DEAD HORSE OR WHATEVER THE EXPRESSION IS. BUT THIS IS INFORMATION THAT IS BEING GATHERED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE ARE IN THIS CONTRACT OR NOT. CORRECT. COUNCILMEMBER, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. YES. SO THIS DATA IS COLLECTED CERTAINLY NATIONALLY, BUT WHEN YOU LOG INTO THEIR SCREEN, YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, THE OUTLINE OF ALL THE CONTINENTS. AND THEN STILLWATER ONLY GETS TO LOOK AT A TINY BIT OF THAT DATA. SO YOU ZOOM WAY IN AND YOU SEE IT. BUT THIS INFORMATION IS COLLECTED FROM MOST NEW VEHICLES. AND SO THAT INFORMATION IS ALREADY COLLECTED. SOME COMPANY, YOU KNOW, COMPANIES BUY THAT THAT DATA AND THEN PUT IT INTO A USEFUL FORM FOR END USERS LIKE US. RIGHT? SO JUST, JUST BECAUSE I HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE PULL ME ASIDE AFTERWARDS. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE A PARTICIPANT IN THIS, USE YOUR PHONE, OPT OUT OF LOCATION SERVICES AND ALL THE DATA SHARING STUFF, AND THAT WILL PULL YOU OUT OF WHATEVER YOUR.

CELL PHONE, WHATEVER VERIZON'S SENDING TO THIS GROUP, RIGHT? AND YOU HAVE TO DO THE SAME FOR YOUR CAR IF YOUR CAR'S CONNECTED. YEAH, YOU HAVE TO TURN OFF YOUR NAVIGATION SYSTEM

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WITH THAT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH URBAN SDK? SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? WHY? SECOND COUNCIL GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? NO. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT PASSES WITH FOUR

[VII. CONSENT AGENDA – These items are routine and will be approved in one motion.]

[XI. OPEN FORUM – Public may address Council on non-agenda items. Please sign in before meeting begins and limit comments to 3 minutes or less.]

WELL THAT'S COOL. NO, WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC DISCUSSION. THIS THE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE NOT SET UP TO HAVE PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON EVERY AGENDA ITEM. YEAH. IF YOU SIGN UP FOR THEM, YOU'RE SIGNED UP FOR THE OPEN FORUM. SO AND AGAIN, THE OPEN FORUM IS THE PART OF THE MEETING WHERE ANYBODY CAN COME UP AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES. UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE TO KIND OF GO OVER THE RULES AGAIN. OH, SORRY. I MOVED UP. THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS COUNCIL ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. WE'VE ASKED EVERYBODY TO SIGN IN. PLEASE LEAVE YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE CRAZY CLOCK WATCHERS. IF IT'S OVER A LITTLE BIT OR UNDER A LITTLE BIT, THAT'S JUST FINE. BUT THREE MINUTES NEEDS TO BE THE RULE.

WE NEED TO NOT BE HAVE THREATENING BEHAVIOR. WE NEED TO NOT HAVE PERSONAL ATTACKS.

WE ALSO KNOW POLITICAL CAMPAIGNING, PERSONAL ATTACKS. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. NOT NOW GUYS. AGAIN, IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW THE RULES, THEN WE JUST ADJOURN THE MEETING. SO IT'S KIND OF UP TO YOU GUYS IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE OPEN FORUMS. IF YOU WANT TO INTERACT WITH YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU CAN EMAIL US, CALL US, TALK TO US. AND I AGREE THAT THERE IS NOT A GOOD MECHANISM RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY

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BUT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS NOT THE PLACE TO DO IT. SO IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES AND YOU CAN AND YOU CAN BE RESPECTFUL, THEN WE'LL DO IT. IF NOT, WE'LL JUST ADJOURN THE MEETING. SO IT'S KIND OF UP TO EVERYBODY HERE IN THE ROOM TONIGHT. WHAT WAS THE POINT OF PULLING IT FROM THE AGREEMENT INDEPENDENTLY ANYWAY? AND WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE MEETING? REMEMBER IT IS DONE HERE. AGAIN, THIS ISN'T A Q&A. THIS ISN'T A PUBLIC DISCUSSION.

THIS IS A STILLWATER CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I'M HAPPY TO TALK WITH ANY OF YOU ABOUT THOSE ISSUES OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SO FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME, TEXT ME, CALL ME WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO DO. I'M HAPPY TO CHAT WITH YOU. I KNOW EVERYBODY ELSE ON CITY COUNCIL WILL BE HAPPY TO CHAT WITH YOU AS WELL, BUT THIS ISN'T THE FORMAT FOR IT. SO BUT AGAIN WITH THAT IS THE OPEN FORUM INTERACTIVE? NO, NO, IT'S NOT A Q&A. IT'S NEVER BEEN A Q&A. IT'S NEVER BEEN A PUBLIC DEBATE. YOU CAN COME UP AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES, AND THEN THE NEXT PERSON COMES UP AND SPEAKS FOR THREE MINUTES. IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR ME OR ANYBODY ON COUNCIL EMAIL, PHONE, TEXT, SET UP A MEETING, HAVE COFFEE, DO WHATEVER. THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER PEOPLE'S QUESTIONS, JUST NOT IN THIS MEETING. THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS MEETING IS FOR. THIS IS NOT A BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS ALLOWED TO BE HERE AND WITNESS THE MEETING DOES NOT MEAN THIS IS A MEETING FOR THE PUBLIC. THIS IS A MEETING FOR THE COUNCIL TO VOTE ON THINGS AND DO COUNCIL BUSINESS. WE GET INPUT FROM YOU ALL DIRECTLY. SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF HOW THIS WORKS. IT'S NOT FOR EVERYBODY TO SHOW UP HERE AND TURN THIS INTO A BIG Q&A. THAT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT HOW THESE THINGS WORK. WELL, IT'S HOW EVERY CITY PRETTY MUCH IN THE COUNTRY WORKS, RIGHT? SO BUT ANYWAY, WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC MEETING. DO WE HAVE THE LIST? I DO, YEAH, GO AHEAD AND WE'LL CALL UP OUR FIRST SPEAKER, LOUISE HANSEN. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. LOUISE JUST UP HERE TO SAY HI TO EVERYONE. AND THAT THE HARVEST FESTIVAL. I HAD A BLAST BOTH DAYS ACTUALLY. AND I THANK ALL YOU GUYS FOR KEEPING US SAFE. AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO TO KEEP US SAFE IN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT. BUT I JUST WANT, ONCE AGAIN, THANKS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DO AND ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT GET ACCOMPLISHED AND. I'M FOLLOWING THE RULES. I'M GOING TO END THIS RIGHT NOW. OKAY? HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU. AND THANKS AGAIN FOR. SHAUN TURNBULL. DO I HAVE TO PUSH THIS OR IT'S ON. YOU'RE GOOD. IT'S IT'S GREEN. IT'S GOOD. OKAY. FORGIVE ME. THIS IS ONLY THE SECOND TIME I'VE EVER SPOKEN AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SO THANKS FOR HAVING ME, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. THE FIRST TIME I SPOKE WAS WHEN WE GOT AN ASSESSMENT THAT OUR LOCATION IN LIBERTY ON THE LAKE WAS GOING TO GET ROADS REPAVED. AND I THINK OUR ASSESSMENT WAS $3,200 TO REPAVE THE ROAD IN FRONT OF OUR HOME. AND I SHOWED UP. HOW MUCH? 42. WELL, HERE'S THE THING. SO WE'RE BLESSED ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO PAY THAT OUT OF POCKET. SO I WANT TO SHARE A PARABLE, A PARABLE WITH ALL OF YOU TODAY THAT WE'VE HEARD WHEN WE WERE CHILDREN. BUT FIRST, I JUST WANT TO SAY, FOR THE COUNCIL, ELECTED OFFICIALS IN GENERAL. IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE INTO ABSOLUTE DESPOTISM. I KNOW WE'VE ALL HEARD THAT BEFORE, BUT I FIRST REALIZED JUST HOW MUCH POWER THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BACK IN 2020 DURING THE LOCKDOWNS. AND I THOUGHT, HOW INTERESTING. I DIDN'T KNOW Y'ALL COULD JUST LOCK DOWN PRIVATE BUSINESSES. AND STILLWATER WHILE HUDSON WAS HOPPING AND ALL THE BUSINESSES WERE OPEN BECAUSE, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS NOW, BOOGEYMAN VIRUS CAN'T JUMP A RIVER. SO WITH THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS FLOCK CAMERA ISSUE. AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE RILED UP ABOUT IT.

RIGHT? WE CAN HEAR IT BEHIND ME. SO FIRST, I JUST WANT TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF A PARABLE THAT WE'VE ALL HEARD AS CHILDREN. AND FOR THE GROUP HERE TONIGHT, Y'ALL ALL ARE THE GOOSE AND GOVERNMENT IS THE FARMER. SO HERE'S HOW THAT GOES. A MAN, A FARMER, OWNED A REMARKABLE GOOSE THAT LAID ONE PURE GOLDEN EGG EVERY DAY. HE SOLD THE EGGS AND HE QUICKLY BECAME RICH. AS HIS WEALTH GREW, SO DID HIS GREED AND HIS IMPATIENCE. ONE GOLDEN EGG A DAY NO LONGER SATISFIED HIM. IT WANTED. HE WANTED ALL OF THE GOLD AT ONCE CONVINCED THE GOOSE MUST

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IN THE EMAILS, WE STILL TALKING ABOUT EPSTEIN? YES, YES. AND I VOTED FOR TRUMP. BUT I'LL NEVER VOTE FOR THAT MAN AGAIN BECAUSE HE'S ON THE LIST. ALL RIGHT. ARE WE GOOD? I'LL WRAP IT UP.

TOKA HAS THE TECH TO GO INTO ANY CAMERA IN REAL TIME AND ALTER THE FOOTAGE, DELETE THE FOOTAGE AND LEAVE NO FORENSIC TRACE. IT IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE INTO ABSOLUTE DESPOTISM. AND I, AS A GUY WITH SOME MONEY, I'M NOT STICKING AROUND TO LIVE HERE. IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SEAN. AND TURNBULL. YOU DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME ON THERE. I THINK SHE'S GOING TO PASS. OKAY. THANK YOU. HE SAID IT ALL. LYNN. RENEE I WOULD LIKE TO SAY OH COME ON UP. COME ON UP. YOU'RE ON THE LIST. YOU GET THE RIGHT JUST TO THE MICROPHONE THERE.

THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THIS. SO I'M HIS WIFE, ANNE TURNBULL. MASTER'S DEGREE IN SOCIAL WORK. CAREER OF COUNTY JOBS, DIRECTING SOCIAL SERVICE PROGRAMS, SUPERVISED AND CHILD

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RENEE. SKIN CANCER SURGERY AT NOON. I'M GOING HOME WHEN I'M DONE TALKING TO MY ICE PACK.

WHAT YOU SAY IS ALL IMPORTANT. LYNN. RENEE 1118. LYNDON OR MAYBE CYCLOPS TODAY. CORRECT MY MEMORY IF I'M WRONG, I'M FEELING A LITTLE OBTUSE ON SNIPPETS AND GRABS A DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS. I REMEMBER I REMEMBER ONE CONVERSATION, CHIEF MUELLER WITH YOU WHERE YOU SAID WE NEEDED ALL THOSE CAMERAS BECAUSE IT'S A TOURIST CITY AND WE HAVE THAT EDI ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. I BELIEVE WE WERE STANDING IN THAT BACK ROOM AND THERE WAS A, I THINK, A REFERENCE ABOUT OPEN ALCOHOL. I REMEMBER ANOTHER CONVERSATION WHERE I BELIEVE IT WAS YOU, LARRY, DURING A CITY COUNCIL MEETING SAYING THAT WE DON'T MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON TOURISM. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. THEN I REMEMBER ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THE THE TALK OF A MULTI-STORY PARKING GARAGE ON SECOND AND CHESTNUT THAT THE PRICE HAD ESCALATED SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS AND MAYBE ENDED UP AT 20 MILLION. AND THEN ANOTHER LINE ITEM ON A BUDGET FOR 139,000, MAYBE FOR A EVENT PLANNER, BECAUSE OUR PARKS PEOPLE COULDN'T KEEP UP.

AND I'M THINKING THEY COULDN'T KEEP UP, NOT WITH THE LOCAL BIRTHDAY PARTIES, CELEBRATIONS OF LIFE AND WEDDINGS FOR CITIZENS, BUT FOR TOURISM. AND SO I'M HEARING, NO, WE DON'T MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON TOURISM. AND YET I'M SEEING BUDGET ITEMS THAT SEEM BASED ON TOURISM.

MOST OF US ARE TIGHTENING OUR BELTS, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE COUNCIL BUDGET IS LOOSENING THE WAISTBAND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. MATTHEW LINDHOLM. JOE, WE TALKED ON THE PHONE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MATTHEW LINDHOLM. I LIVE AT 3507 ABERCROMBIE LANE. AND YOU DON'T NEED TO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO REPEAT YOUR ADDRESS ONLINE, WE'VE GOT A SIGN UP. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. FIRST OF ALL, I WAS BORN AT LAKEVIEW HOSPITAL. I GREW UP IN THE HOUSE THAT MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW AS THE TRELLIS WEDDING VENUE. MY FAMILY LATER MOVED TO CROIX WOOD ON MARINOL IN 1996. AND SO WHEN I SAY THAT I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, I'M BEING QUITE LITERAL. I SPENT THE LAST 20 YEARS SERVING IN THE ARMY, AND AS I APPROACH RETIREMENT AND SETTLE BACK INTO THE AREA, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BECOMING A MORE ACTIVE MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY. MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE INCLUDES WORKING WITH THE ARMY'S ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE INTEGRATION CENTER, WITH EXPERIENCE IN EDUCATION AND DATA GOVERNANCE AND

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BEYOND ACCURACY. AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS TRUST THE. I UNDERSTAND THE POLICIES AND RESTRICTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED, BUT THEY DO NOT RESOLVE MY CONCERN ABOUT THE COMPANY FLOCK. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING SAFEGUARDS ON PAPER AND BEING ABLE TO VERIFY THAT THEY ARE CONSISTENTLY HONORED IF INFORMATION IS IMPROPERLY RETAINED, SHARED OR REUSED. DISCOVERING IT AFTER THE FACT MAY COME TOO LATE TO UNDO ANY HARM. I WOULD FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH INFRASTRUCTURE THE CITY OWNS AND CONTROLS, RATHER THAN A SYSTEM THAT LEAVES US DEPENDENT ON A PRIVATE COMPANY, CONTINUING SERVICE AND ASSURANCES. TO ME, THAT MEANS MORE THAN JUST OWNING THE CAMERAS. IT MEANS A MEANINGFUL CONTROL OVER STORAGE, ACCESS, RETENTION, SHARING, AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. I RECOGNIZE THAT CITY OWNERSHIP WOULD STILL INVOLVE COSTS, MAINTENANCE, AND CYBERSECURITY RESPONSIBILITIES. OWNERSHIP ALONE DOES NOT GUARANTEE GOOD GOVERNANCE, BUT LOCAL CONTROL MATTERS TO ME, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE INFORMATION CONCERNS OUR NEIGHBORS GOING ABOUT THEIR DAILY LIVES. TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR, I DO NOT WANT FLOC IN STILLWATER. I SUPPORT OUR LOCAL OFFICERS. I SUPPORT OUR LOCAL OFFICERS, AND I WANT THEM TO HAVE EFFECTIVE TOOLS TO HELP THEM DO THEIR JOBS. BUT I DO NOT TRUST THE COMPANY FLOCK TO BE THAT TOOL, AND MY RESPECT TO THE POLICE FORCE DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY EXTEND TO CONFIDENCE IN PRIVATE COMPANIES PROCESSING AND STORING THE INFORMATION. I SHARE THESE CONCERNS SO YOU UNDERSTAND A LITTLE MORE ABOUT ME AND MY PERSPECTIVE. I LOVE THIS TOWN, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. MATTHEW. LAURA.

SUPER. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY ADMINISTRATORS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE CURRENT LOCK SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE OR ANY ALPERS, THE URBAN SDK AND THE PTC POLICIES. I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE EARLY LAST YEAR AT AT THE VERY LEAST, BUT I WAS NOT AWARE OF HOW THEY CAME TO BE. AND I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS. AFTER LEARNING ABOUT THE MANY CASES OF MY. NOT NECESSARILY HERE, BUT THERE'S BEEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY MANY CASES OF MISIDENTIFICATION, INCARCERATION AND ABUSES COMMITTED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT. DESPITE CLAIMS THAT THERE ARE RULES ABOUT HOW THE DATA IS USED, WHAT DATA IS GATHERED AND WHO CAN ACCESS THIS DATA. AND I THINK THAT'S ALSO ILLUSTRATED IN THE MOST RECENT FOIA REQUEST THAT I LOOKED AT. THERE WERE SEVERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT REQUESTS ON THERE AND OTHER ENTITIES THAT WEREN'T NECESSARILY LOCAL. I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE MAYOR ON FACEBOOK AND EMAILED MY CONCERNS TO MY COUNCILMAN COLLINS, AND THE FEELING THAT I GET FROM THE RESPONSES THAT I RECEIVE ARE ONES OF BEING CONDESCENDED TO. QUITE FRANKLY, I HATE USING THE TERM MANSPLAINING BECAUSE IT GETS OVERUSED, BUT HONESTLY, THAT'S HOW IT FEELS WHEN I EMAIL MY CONCERNS. IT'S BECAUSE I'VE DONE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ABOUT THESE CAMERAS AND I KNOW HOW THIS THEY'VE BEEN USED AND HOW THEY'VE BEEN ABUSED. SO WHEN I GET COMPANY PROPAGANDA THAT'S DESIGNED TO SHUT DOWN DISSENT, THEY SOUND NAIVE AT BEST AND DECEPTIVE AT WORST. IN MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE SUCCESSFULLY STOPPED USING THESE CAMERAS, INCLUDING PLYMOUTH, FRIDLEY AND RIGHT ACROSS THE RIVER HERE IN RIVER FALLS. YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON GETTING THE STATE OR FEDERAL LEGISLATURE TO ADD MORE REGULATIONS TO STRENGTHEN SECURITY, BUT IN MY OPINION, I THINK THIS IS BACKWARDS. THESE THINGS SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GREENLIT TO BEGIN WITH. I MEAN,

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I'M UNIMPRESSED WITH ANECDOTAL STORIES ABOUT FALSE ARRESTS BEING MADE. EVEN WITH THESE CAMERAS. THIS MISSES THE POINT ENTIRELY. THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF SURVEILLANCE STATE DYSTOPIA THAT WE HAVE THE POWER TO SAY NO TO NOW. I'M ALSO UNIMPRESSED WITH STORIES ABOUT HOW PEOPLE YOU'VE TALKED TO ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. WHAT INFORMATION DO THEY HAVE? HOW DO YOU INFLUENCE THEM TO RESPOND FAVORABLY TO YOU? I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU FRAMED THE QUESTION. SO THIS ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE IS IRRELEVANT. I COULD TELL YOU THAT 95 OR 99% OF THE PEOPLE I SPOKE TO AT HARVEST FEST WERE AGAINST IT, ADAMANTLY AGAINST IT. WOULD YOU TAKE MY WORD FOR IT? OR WOULD YOU QUESTION HOW I PRESENTED THE INFORMATION? THERE'S SO MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THIS THAT I WISH I HAD MORE TIME. I WISH YOU WERE TAKING US MORE SERIOUSLY AND WOULD REFRAIN FROM SAYING DISMISSIVE THINGS LIKE, YOU'RE WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT'S BASED IN REALITY. THE FEDS ARE SHOWING UP AT THE DOORS OVER FACEBOOK POSTS. THIS IS OUR REALITY. THIS IS HAPPENING ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WE'RE SPECIAL? LIKE WE'RE SOME UNICORN THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. I'M CONCERNED THAT THE PUBLIC FORUM THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, THAT YOU'VE PROPOSED LAST WEEK, YOU TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE CLOSED SESSION. THIS FEELS LIKE LIP SERVICE TO ME. IT FEELS PERFORMATIVE. I'LL CONCLUDE BY MAKING MY ASK AND THAT I WANT THESE CAMERAS COVERED IMMEDIATELY. THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE STEP TO TAKE UNTIL THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PLACES MORE GUIDELINES AND SAFETY REGULATIONS. I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK THAT THE URBAN SDK CONTRACT BE REVOKED, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HECK JUST HAPPENED WITH THAT WHOLE CONSENT ITEM. I MEAN, YOU PULLED IT FROM THE AGENDA AND THEN VOTED ON IT, EVEN THOUGH IT HAD SECRETLY BEEN APPROVED DURING THE RECONVENING OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. AFTER WE WERE ALL ESCORTED OUT OF HERE AND TOLD THAT THE BUILDING WAS GOING TO BE LOCKED. LIKE WHAT? WHAT A FARCE THAT WAS. OKAY, WHERE AM I AT? AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT TONIGHT, GUYS. THANK YOU A LOT. SHANE WHITE. YOU MADE SOME BULLET POINTS FOR MYSELF TO HOPEFULLY REMEMBER EVERYTHING. SO BACK IN JUNE WE HAD A HOUSE FIRE AND THEN A BREAK IN SHORTLY AFTER THAT. SO I WANTED TO FIRST THANK THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR LIKE YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT? IT WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL THERE. WE WERE TOLD AFTER THE FACT THAT THAT'S A COMMON OCCURRENCE, THAT A BREAK IN HAPPENS AFTERWARD WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO KNOW BEFOREHAND. ONE OF THE MORE SURPRISING THINGS ABOUT THIS JOB IS HOW MANY FIRES THERE ARE, AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT JUST STUNNED ME. YEAH, SO SORRY THAT HAPPENED TO YOU WITH THE BREAK IN. WE HAVE OUR OWN CAMERAS IN THE HOUSE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T IN THE HOUSE, THE FIRE. SO OUR CAMERAS GOT OUT OF THE CAR AND THE PEOPLE THAT BROKE IN, BUT NOT THE LICENSE PLATE. SO THEN THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, GOT A FLOCK HIT ON THIS. THEY GOT THE LICENSE PLATE, REGISTRATION PHONE, THE OWNER, WHATEVER ADDRESS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY REACHED OUT TO THAT PERSON.

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LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY LIKE THEIR DETERRENTS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK IF, IF THAT'S THE MAIN SELLING POINT, A DETERRENT WOULD REQUIRE PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF LIKE THE CAMERAS BEING THERE, AND THEY'D HAVE TO BE HEAVILY ADVERTISED. BUT A LOT OF THE PLACEMENT OF THEM AND THE, THE PASSAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, STILLWATER EVEN BOUGHT ALL OF THESE WAS KIND OF IN SECRET, LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT VOTED ON BY THE PUBLIC AT LEAST. SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S NOT A DETERRENT. AND IT CERTAINLY DIDN'T HELP SOLVE THE AFTER THE FACT FOR US. SO THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS OUR STORY, I GUESS. BUT THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION WERE IN THE STATEMENT ON FACEBOOK FOCUSED A LOT ON LIKE THE 17PS AND WE SAY FLOCK A LOT AND ALPERS. BUT I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THE POINTS THAT YOU MADE AND THAT PEOPLE BRING UP HERE ABOUT AI INVOLVEMENT IN IT OR THE CAPABILITIES OF THE CAMERAS, YOU PICKED THE LOWEST TECH CAPABILITY OUT OF, SAY, THE 42 CAMERAS THAT ARE IN TOWN. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF I SAY IF I ASKED FOR A KLEENEX AND YOU HAD A BOX OF LIKE OFF BRAND TISSUES, YOU'D PROBABLY KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T SAY, I DON'T HAVE A KLEENEX. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAY FLOCK, IT'S KIND OF LIKE IN THAT VEIN. SURE. THAT'S HELPFUL. SO BUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, LIKE TECHNICALLY YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT. WE DO SAY FLOCK AND ALPERS A LOT, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS TO LIKE, BE SO SEMANTIC ABOUT IT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE INTENTION. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS LIKE, NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SAW THE URBAN SDK THING, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT YOU KIND OF LIKE BRUSHED IT OFF.

LIKE IT'S WHEN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, DOCKET OR WHATEVER WAS, YOU SAY, OH, IT'S, IT'S SIMPLE RENEWALS, WHATEVER. THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS PROBABLY PASSED ON THE SAME THING. SO CALLING IT JUST A RENEWAL WHEN NO ONE KNEW ABOUT THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS AGAIN, PRETTY DISINGENUOUS. BUT. AND THEN SAYING THAT THEY'RE ALREADY COLLECTING THIS DATA, THEY'RE COLLECTING IT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE BUYING IT. SO YOU'RE LIKE, YOU'RE INCENTIVIZING THEM. IF WE DO RENEW THESE CONTRACTS, YOU KNOW, AND CERTAINLY STILLWATER BUYING OR NOT BUYING IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY OTHER COUNCILS WOULD WOULD NOT PURCHASE THIS. BUT YEAH, JUST SAYING IT'S ALREADY COLLECTED.

THEY'RE DOING IT BECAUSE WE LIVE IN ULTRA CAPITALISM. SO BUT I THINK THAT WAS IT FOR ME.

AND AGAIN, JUST REALLY WANT TO THANK THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. SORRY. AWESOME.

YEAH. THANK YOU SHANE. JACK EDELSON. ALL RIGHT. I'LL TRY TO BE CONCISE. I'M A LITTLE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS TO SPEAK ABOUT. FIRSTLY, REGARDING THE URBAN SDK, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND PROCEDURALLY WHAT HAPPENED. I WOULD HAVE HOPED THAT SINCE THE, AS YOU KNOW, ITEMS, WHETHER ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OR NOT, DON'T ALWAYS GET A LOT OF PUBLIC ATTENTION THAT ONCE THE PUBLIC STARTED PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS ISSUE AND YOU GUYS ARE GETTING CONCERNS THAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE TIME OR MORE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR MORE PUBLIC FEEDBACK ONCE THOSE CONCERNS HAPPENED, BEFORE GOING AHEAD AND APPROVING IT. I WANT TO SAY ONE PERSON EARLIER SPOKE ABOUT THAT. IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T TRUST THE POLICE, IS THAT WE DON'T TRUST THESE PRIVATE COMPANIES. AND I'M WONDERING, HAVE ANY OF YOU I MEAN, ONE PERSON ALLUDED TO RIVER FALLS AND WHAT HAPPENED IN RIVER FALLS AND THERE IT WAS ACTUALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, NOT THE CITY COUNCIL. TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT LED THE PUSH TO PULL BACK AND ACTUALLY REQUESTED THAT THEIR COUNCIL ABANDON THE CONTRACT AND BAG THE CAMERAS. I'M WONDERING IF ANY OF YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO THE FOLKS IN RIVER FALLS ABOUT WHAT THEIR REASONING IS. THEY CITED

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AND THERE HAVE BEEN EXCEPTIONS, BUT HAVE NOT BEEN CONSISTENTLY MET BY THE SAME. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THERESA. TERESA GONZALEZ. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TERESA GONZALEZ. AND I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY DEMANDS THAT THE PUBLIC RECORD BE PROPERLY FROZEN FROM LAST SESSION. TONIGHT, YOU ARE ASKED TO CARRY OVER MOTION NUMBER 25, WHICH WAS THE URBAN SDK PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT UNDER THE LASERFICHE DOCUMENT ORIGINALLY PRESENTED IN THE OCTOBER 6TH AGENDA. COUNCIL LEADERSHIP HAS CONFIRMED THAT DUE TO INTENSE PUBLIC PRESSURE, THIS ITEM IS BEING PULLED FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT. BUT A MERE STAFF PRESENTATION THAT WAS JUST A STALL TACTIC. UNDER THE RULES OF ORDER, THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO TAKE A CONCRETE ACTION AND RECONSIDER THIS CONTRACT. WE CANNOT LET LEGAL JARGON GLOSS OVER THE FACTS. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THIS COMPANY THINKS OF STILLWATER RESIDENTS, LOOK AT PAGE 85 OF THEIR OWN PROPOSAL. URBAN SDK EXPLICITLY STATES THAT THE DEPARTMENT WAS SWAMPED WITH TRAFFIC COMPLAINTS BECAUSE, AND I QUOTE, 80% OF THEM ARE PERCEPTION ISSUES. YOU'RE SPENDING 20,000 OF OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO BUY A PLATFORM THAT TELLS YOU THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE JUST IMAGINING SOMEBODY SPEEDING ON THEIR STREETS. WORSE, THE MAYOR PREVIOUSLY DEFENDED THE CONTRACT BY COMPLAINING THAT THE TRACKING DATA IS ENTIRELY ANONYMOUS. BUT THE VENDOR'S OWN DATA SHEET STATES THE EXACT OPPOSITE IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. EVEN IF THE DATA SEEMS ANONYMIZED. MOBILE TRACES MOBILITY TRACES CAN OFTEN BE TIED BACK TO THE INDIVIDUALS WITH LITTLE EFFORT. YOUR OWN VENDOR ADMITS THAT THIS DATA CAN BE DE ANONYMIZED TO THE MAP. THE. FOR THE PATHS OF OUR CITIZENS. FURTHERMORE, YOU'RE OPERATING IN AN ABSOLUTE POLICY VACUUM. IN YOUR OWN RECENT WORK SESSION. TRANSCRIPT, THE MAYOR OPENLY ADMITTED THAT WHILE THE CITY HAS RULES FOR STATIONARY PLATE LOGS, THERE WAS ZERO WRITTEN RULE ON THE RECORD THAT THE POLICIES FOR THE PAN TILT ZOOM SECURITY CAMERAS. THERE'S NOTHING. TONIGHT, I URGE THIS COUNCIL TO TAKE THREE IMMEDIATE STEPS FORMALLY VOTE TO RECONSIDER THIS METHOD AND RECONSIDER, RESCIND AND KILL

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THAT'S ABSURD. IN PITTSBURGH, THEY HAVE THE GOLD STANDARD OF POLICY AND TRACKING THE INDIVIDUAL HUMAN MOVEMENTS. WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WROTE THERE, SORRY.

SO WE WANT SAFE STREETS. WE DO NOT WANT OUR REAL SAFETY CONCERNS DISMISSED. AND $20,000 PUT DOWN THE DRAIN. SO TONIGHT I ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS. TYLER LINER. THANK YOU. CAN I PULL UP MY NOTES HERE? JACK EARLIER MENTIONED A. JACK EARLIER MENTIONED WHAT HAPPENED IN RIVER FALLS, AND I'D LIKE TO READ A SHORT ARTICLE FROM THE RIVER FALLS JOURNAL TO PUT THIS ON PUBLIC RECORD. FOR ALL OF YOU AND EVERYONE BACK HERE WHO MAY NOT HAVE READ IT, THE DATE IS OCTOBER 13TH, 2026, ABOUT A WEEK AGO, SAYS RIVER FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT PLANS TO END FLOCK CAMERA USE AFTER INTERNAL REVIEW. THE RIVER FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT ANNOUNCED TUESDAY THAT IT HAS PLANS IT PLANS TO DISCONTINUE USING ITS AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS AFTER AN INTERNAL REVIEW LED TO, QUOTE, A LOSS OF CONFIDENCE, UNQUOTE, IN FLOCK. AS A SERVICE PROVIDER, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT USED NINE FLOCK CAMERAS ACROSS THE CITY. THE DECISION COMES AFTER THE DEPARTMENT AND CITY RECEIVED BACKLASH FOR THE CAMERAS, WHICH CRITICS SAY CREATE A CULTURE OF SURVEILLANCE. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S REVIEW EVALUATED FLOCK'S TRANSPARENCY, CONTRACTUAL PRACTICES AND CUSTOMER SUPPORT, CUSTOMER SUPPORT SERVICE POLICE CHIEF GORDON YOUNG WILL SUBMIT A MEMORANDUM AND RESOLUTION ASKING THE COUNCIL TO END FUNDING FOR FLOCK IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S 2027 AND 2028 BUDGETS, ACCORDING TO A DEPARTMENT STATEMENT. THE CITY SIGNED A FOUR YEAR, $111,000 CONTRACT WITH FLOCK IN 2024.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DISABLED EXTERNAL AGENCY DATA SHARING ON OCTOBER 9TH, THE DEPARTMENT SAID IN A STATEMENT, QUOTE, AS AN ADDITIONAL INTERIM MEASURE, THE DEPARTMENT WILL COORDINATE WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO COVER ALL NINE CAMERAS AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE, THE STATEMENT CONTINUED. THE STATEMENT SAID PREVIOUSLY, THE CAMERAS HELPED WITH INVESTIGATIONS AND REITERATED TUESDAY THAT THE TECHNOLOGY CONTRIBUTED TO INVESTIGATIVE SUCCESSES. QUOTE, TECHNOLOGY CAN BE A VALUABLE TOOL IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT IT MUST BE SUPPORTED BY TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICE, UNQUOTE. YOUNG SAID IN THE STATEMENT, QUOTE, THE DEPARTMENT REMAINS COMMITTED TO EVALUATING ALL DEPARTMENT TOOLS RESPONSIBLY AND ENSURING ITS PRACTICES REFLECT THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY IT SERVES, UNQUOTE. THE DEPARTMENT'S STATEMENT ADDED. THAT IS THE END OF THE ARTICLE.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. FORTUNATELY, IT FEELS LIKE FROM LAST COUNCIL MEETING WE WERE NOT BEING LISTENED TO BECAUSE OF BEING SHUT DOWN EARLY BECAUSE EVERYONE JUST LEFT. AND I FELT PERSONALLY EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED AND QUITE HONESTLY, QUITE ANGRY THAT YOU ALL DECIDED TO COME BACK IN AND RECONVENE THE MEETING AFTER POLICE CHIEF TOLD US THAT THE BUILDING WAS GOING TO BE SHUT DOWN, LOCKED BEHIND US. SO WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? ALL RIGHT, LET'S BE REAL RIGHT HERE. OKAY? LET'S BE REAL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MANDY IVERSON. HELLO. MY NAME IS MANDY, AND I'M A STILLWATER RESIDENT. WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THE STANDARD FLOCK SALES PITCH OVER AND OVER. THE STILLWATER, MINNESOTA PD TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, WHICH IS ALSO A FLOCK COMPANY WEBSITE, CONTAINS THE SAME INFORMATION WE'VE BEEN HEARING. THE STILLWATER AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS WEB PAGE ALSO READS. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT USES A LIMITED NUMBER OF PAN TILT ZOOM PTZ CAMERAS, WHICH RECORD VIDEO FOOTAGE. THESE

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AND SO EVEN IF THERE ARE LIMITS TO WHAT THE CITY OFFICIALS CAN ACCESS, THE REST OF THE DATA IS COLLECTED AND STORED. AND THESE COMPANIES, THERE HAVE BEEN COUNTLESS ARTICLES AND REPORTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, AS WE'VE BEEN HEARING ALL NIGHT AND DISCUSSING HOW FLOCK HAVE BEEN MISLEADING ABOUT HOW THEY STORE THE DATA AND WHO CAN ACCESS IT. AND AS WE'VE ALSO SAID, JUST BECAUSE THESE COMPANIES GATHER THE DATA, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE NEED TO BUY IT AND USE IT. IF WE STARVE THE SYSTEM, THEN IT DOESN'T. THEN IT CAN'T FUNCTION THIS WAY. SO THIS IS JUST ONE ASPECT OF WHY WE OPPOSE THE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS. THERE'S ALSO ONE THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN MENTIONING TONIGHT. THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS OF AI. WE HEARD EARLIER IN THE MEETING ABOUT WHAT ALL THE WONDERFUL GROUPS IN OUR COMMUNITY, IN OUR COUNTY ARE DOING TO PROTECT THE WATER, TO PROTECT THE LAND. AND THEN WE'RE DUMPING MONEY INTO THESE AI, AI COMPANIES THAT NEED THESE DATA CENTERS, THESE MASSIVE DATA CENTERS THAT DESTROY ENVIRONMENTS THAT TAKE A TON OF WATER AND HAVE ENORMOUS ENVIRONMENTAL COSTS.

SO THAT IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE NEED TO COVER THE CAMERAS AND THE CONTRACTS AND JUST BE DONE WITH THE AI SURVEILLANCE. SO WHEN WE HIT THIS NEXT WEEK, CAN WE PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WE HIT THE GUARDIAN MODE AND WHAT OUR CAPABILITIES ARE INSIDE OF THERE? YEP. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS EVERYBODY'S CONCERN. THANK YOU. MARILYN CARVER. HI. I'M ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT EVERYONE BEFORE ME AND ALL THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THERE SEEMS NO DOUBT THAT THERE IS NOT COMMUNITY SUPPORT AT ALL FOR FLOCK CAMERAS AND FOR THE SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT WE HEARD ABOUT TONIGHT. BUT WHAT ISN'T CLEAR TO ME IS WHAT THE PROCESS IS NOW, WHAT THE POLICY IS FOR, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. I MEAN, I THINK MOST OF US CAME TONIGHT EXPECTING THAT ITEM WOULD BE OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO THERE'D BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT AND PERHAPS AFFECT HOW YOU VOTED. BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO WHAT HAPPENS NOW? BUT PERHAPS YOU CAN'T ANSWER BECAUSE THIS ISN'T Q&A. IT'S A PUBLIC FORUM. SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

IS IT A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? DO YOU ASK THEM FOR ALL THE DATA TO SUPPORT THE RETENTION OF THE CAMERAS OR THE TAKING DOWN OF THEM? OR IS IT A STATEMENT YOU GATHER ALL THIS INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN YOU MEET AND REASSESS EVERYTHING AND THEN MAKE A PUBLIC STATEMENT. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S I THINK YOU JUST SAID IT. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT OUR CITY ADMINISTRATOR SAID EARLIER THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. SO WHO INITIATES THAT? IS IT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE COUNCIL? DO YOU DIRECT THEM? DO THEY DIRECT YOU? SO I THINK WE GOT TO TAKE A STEP BACK. SO WE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT FLOCK PROBABLY EARLIER IN THE SPRING. AND THEN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HELD LIKE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, AN OPEN HOUSE, A DEMONSTRATION, SOMETHING LIKE

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FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I WANT TO SAY THAT I COULDN'T BE MORE OPPOSED TO THESE CAMERAS. STILLWATER IS A FAIRLY CRIME FREE CITY. IT'S VERY SAFE. WE DON'T DESERVE TO BE MONITORED. 24 OVER SEVEN. I'M GOING TO ASK A COUPLE RHETORICAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU'VE SHIELDED YOURSELF FROM ANSWERING THINGS.

WHY WOULD YOU THINK THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE? AND IF THIS GENTLEMAN WANTED TANKS ON OUR STREETS, WOULD YOU GIVE HIM THAT? THANK YOU. THANKS, JOHN. RANDY, I'LL PASS.

PATTY ELOVICH. CAN I TAKE THIS PHONE? I'M ONE MORE COMMENT. NO, SORRY. NO, IT DOESN'T WORK.

YEAH. NO, IT USED TO BE WORKED OUT. YEAH, YEAH. SO. NO. PAT. OKAY. JOHN VAN ZEE. MARY MCNELLIS. MORGAN BYRNE. HELLO. I'M KIND OF TIRED OF COMING UP HERE. I'M REALLY TIRED OF HAVING TO ASK YOU ALL TO TAKE US SERIOUSLY. I'M HOPING THAT THESE NEXT TWO QUOTES THAT I'M GOING TO READ, YOU WILL TAKE A LITTLE MORE SERIOUSLY. ONE IS WITH ONE IS FROM THE SENATE COMMITTEE HEARING ON FLOC FROM SEPTEMBER 23RD. THE OPENING STATEMENT BY JOSH HAWLEY, WHO I HAPPEN TO DISAGREE WITH 95% OF THE TIME, PROBABLY 99% OF THE TIME. BUT WE AGREE ON THIS, HE SAYS. THE SURVEILLANCE NETWORK USES THOUSANDS OF THESE AI POWERED CAMERAS TO CAPTURE AND ANALYZE IMAGES OF PASSING VEHICLES. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GIVE YOU A SENSE OF IT. THEY STORE AND CATALOG DETAILS LIKE THE VEHICLE'S MAKE, MODEL, COLOR, LOCATION, DATE, AND TIME FLOCKS. SEARCHABLE FEATURES INCLUDE DETAILS LIKE DENTS AND CRACKS AND VEHICLE DAMAGE, AND RACKS ON THE ROOF OR RACKS ON THE BACK, OR SPECIFIC BUMPER STICKERS. EVEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, FLOCK CAN TELL YOU IF A CAR HAS A TRUMP STICKER OR A HAIR STICKER, OR A PRO-LIFE AMERICA STICKER OR AN NRA STICKER. IT'S REALLY QUITE EXTRAORDINARY. FLOCKS. CAMERAS CAN EVEN RECOGNIZE WHETHER PEOPLE ARE IN THE IMAGES. AND IN FACT, FLOCK ADMITTED IN A LETTER TO ME AHEAD OF TIME OF THIS HEARING THAT YOU COULD SEARCH THEIR DATABASE BASED ON PEOPLE'S IMAGES. YOU COULD ASK TO SEARCH PEOPLE, PEOPLE, IMAGES THAT HAD PEOPLE, IMAGES THAT ARE SCANNING THE INSIDE OF CARS. I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY QUITE EXTRAORDINARY. AND I

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SO WHAT I. SO I'D LIKE TO END THIS TODAY ASKING THAT YOU COVER THESE CAMERAS, THAT YOU RESPECT YOUR CITIZENS, WHO YOU ARE ELECTED TO SERVE, NOT TO LORD OVER. AND I ASK THAT YOU.

AND I ALSO ASK THAT MAYBE WE THINK OF A BETTER DAY THAN NOVEMBER 4TH AFTER THE ELECTION, WHEN WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE UNREST AND UPHEAVAL. I ASK NOT FROM US NOT. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M SAYING LIKE, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME STUFF HAPPENING AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST SORRY, MAYBE JUST NOT FAIR. THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION. I AM NOT CERTAIN ABOUT THAT. BUT SECRETARY, SECRETARY OF STATE, STEVE'S ONE OF THOSE IS IS I THINK A GREAT IDEA. YEAH, YEAH, I AGREE. SO NOT AFTER THE ELECTION, PLEASE OR NOT THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION, PLEASE. BUT THAT'S A THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HAVE A HAVE A NICE EVENING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT. OH. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WITH THAT

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